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Very thoughtful. I had a sister who hanged herself who asked to be "put down" but that wasn't accessible then. The reason she got to that point is from abuse from the system, particularly the mental abuse system (psychiatry.) So it was pretty much their fault that most of her adult life was constant suffering but when she wanted the final "dose" they weren't there for her. I know SO many people who have relatives and friends who have done it too. It seems like it was already an epidemic. Thanks for asking the provocative questions. In my opinion, the entire medical mafia is centered on pharma assisted suicide - some just take longer than others. IMO the system murdered my mother, father and drove my sister to do it for them and just recently my brother through the death vax.

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After reading & digesting Ray's article & reader's comments l have waited 2 days to reply. And l'm still not sure l should but l think my real-life experiences can maybe be helpful. If only to one person. Because l know of what l speak.

I am a retired Registered Nurse with 40 years of proffessional experience in many different settings (including psychiatry & hospice). I graduated from a world renowned county hospital nursing program in Miami, Florida.

I also owned & operated a livestock farm for 12 years when l took a hiatus from my nursing career.

The point is, l have been present during the dying & deaths of MANY human-beings as well as animals. I know of what l speak.

l was at the bedside of my mother who was terminally ill with cancer. She was alert & oriented & pain free. Suddenly she said "This disease is a bitch!" & blinked her eyes & was dead.

Now my mother's death was unusual. That is the one & only time l have observed a person expire like that.

What l want to say is....barring a violent, traumatic death (car accident, drowning, death by stabbing/gunshot, fall from at rooftop, etc) the deaths l have witnessed are a slow "fading" of the biological organism. In both people & animals. Body functions slow down. Appetite disappears. Sleeping & dozing increase. Periods of alertness & awareness diminish. Often control of bowel & bladder is lost. Breathing becomes slower & slower until it ceases. Then the heart stops beating. That is what occurs 99% of the time. It really is not awful. Honest.

Of course, each death is unique (as each organism is unique). Some deaths are painless. Some have horrible pain but in the hospital setting & in hospice settings (be it in a facility or the person's home enviornment) the pain is always easily managed. Or at least it used to be!

Granted, l have been retired for 16 years so l can't speak to the current state of affairs that is now happening in hospitals & various other facilities. Especially in the covidian-era climate.

But death comes to us all. And we all experience physical pain from the moment we are born in one form or another. Pain during the dying process, if managed appropriately by an honorable practioner, can be significantly minimized. And generally there is no pain when an organic organism goes through the dying process. At least by all observable outward signs & symptoms. Which cannot be missed. And by the verbalizations of those that are still able to communicate.

Ray, the tragic story you told about the elderly lady dying in obvious gruesome pain is terribly sad. And was so unnecessary. It could have been avoided if she had had a sympathetic, knowledgeable practitioner there to help her get through her last days. Or if there had been someone with her who had a knowledge of natural pain relieving herbs & tonics as was done in days past before alleopathic medicine came into existence.

Most people & animals do not lie there howling & writhing in pain & agony for days before they finally expire. Hopefully, caring folks will be in attendance to keep the dying person clean & dry. To offer sips of cool water if it can be tolerated. A cool washrag to the forehead. And appropriate pain relief if needed.

Dying with dignity can be achieved. Really & truly.

Before l close, l would like to also say....l do feel that death in our Western culture in the last 50 years or so has become a taboo subject. Where the average person used to expire at home in their bed surrounded by loved ones it has now become a sterile, lonely event that is hidden behind closed doors in a barren room in a nursing home or hospital. In my opinion, it is truly unfortunate that it has come to this. Death is part of life. None of us come out of this world alive in the physical realm....not one of us! We should not fear death if we have lived our lives well. To the best of our ability.

As far as the insane elite who think they are going to live on forever in the "cloud"....well, that's another story for another day....it is my sincere hope that they all burn in hell.

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