I have seen websites destroyed by swamped by lengthy, frequent, and/or irrelevant comments, so IF YOU WANT THIS SITE TO LAST, please, consider the following.
It has become a MAJOR problem that lots of topics are raised that do not pertain to the subject of the article. I am guilty, because I started to participate in such conversations previously, but I won’t be able to do it any longer.
I guess, it is because my time is limited, I haven’t done it, but people are coming up with several good topics that I must start separately in order to keep discussions on the subject. Swamping a comment section with irrelevant comments, no matter how interesting they are, deters good commenters, and eventually readers, in the long run.
Would you like to suggest topics for which I can start up articles for discussions?
Comment here or respond to the e-mail about any of my posts:
Please, notice that I’ll be unlikely to be able to join the conversations most of the time, so if you have a problem, you have to report it.
IMPORTANT REQUEST:
Also, I am asking you to keep your comments at a reasonable size and do not post more than a few in a comment section, because that phenomenon has become rampant recently. When comment sections are taken over by a few people, others stay away, which is against the purpose of my site.
When I notice again that someone takes over a whole section with unnecessarily lengthy (they could start up their own Substack and insert links instead), exceedingly frequent, or repeatedly irrelevant comments, that person will be the first person I’ll have to ban.
About Marks' statement : "In us there is God ." Just a story about Jesus and his disciples .
He was telling them that he is leaving . So one of the disciple said to him : " Lord you are leaving us so we want to build a temple where we can be with you . But we don't know where to build it . On the hill or in the valley ? "
He said to him : " Build the temple in your heart , and I will be with you day and night ."
So . Its not necessary to have a middleman between you and God .
"The Tavistock Institute for Human Relations has had a profound effect on the moral, spiritual, cultural, political and economic policies of the United States of America and Great Britain. It has been in the front line of the attack on the US Constitution and State Constitutions.
No group did more to propagandize the US to participate in WWI at a time when the majority of the American people were opposed to it. Much the same tactics were used by the Social Science Scientists at Tavistock to get the United States into WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Serbia and both wars against Iraq.
Tavistock began as a propaganda-creating and- disseminating organization at Wellington House in London in the run-up to WWI, what Toynbee called “that black hole of disinformation.” On another occasion, Toynbee called Wellington House “a lie factory.” From a somewhat crude beginning, Wellington House evolved into the Tavistock Institute and went on to shape the destiny of Germany, Russia, Britain and the United States in a highly controversial manner. The people of these nations were unaware that they were being “brainwashed.” The origin of “mind control,” “inner directional conditioning” and mass “brainwashing” is explained in an easy to understand book written with great authority.
This book is required reading/listening, if you want to understand what is happening to us today, which is the implementation of the various pop cultural movements and mainstream news talking points that have brainwashed us.
Coleman, a former British Intelligence officer who later became a naturalized US Citizen explained that the UN, the WHO and the Bank for International Settlements are all executive arms of the Royal Institute of International Affairs – and ultimately, of the ‘Committee of 300’, which is controlled by ancient aristocratic families whose stratospheric wealth makes the tech oligarchs of our age look like pikers.
This book tells precisely who “They” are, and what they have planned for our future, exactly how they have brainwashed us and how they have been at war with the American nation for 80 years.
‘Tavistock Institute of Human Relations’ is as fresh today as it was 30 years ago. Dr Coleman names names and gives us more details about the perpetrators and their motives than most red-pilled content being produced today. Like his other classic book, ‘The Committee of 300’, the importance of ‘Tavistock Institute of Human Relations’ cannot be overstated.-
Most people live their whole lives according to their programming; no AI is needed to deprive them from Free Will. Free Will is harder to exercise than most people assume:
I will wish your comments section well, no wish to see it sink. Blessings to your journey. I can go back and remove the contestable few I have put here but it seems pointless.
Once you experience seeing the future, an event, the death of your son for example. The place, say Paris, France, in a specific neighborhood. Suppose the timing were down to the year, 24th, not yet 25 and you were to do all in your power, saying no, don't go, and successfully deterring his travels to Paris, France, just in case there is a thing called fate that you can not escape. He went anyway, as boys will do, and when I talked him into returning, 2 days before, he drowned, in Paris, France, to be found after weeks, and help from CIA friends, in the morgue at Notre Damned (intention sp) , and cremated in the neighborhood for corpses above. Fate was unstoppable and I was given a gift. Proof. I denied fate, said no God could preset such deterministic points of reference, time, place, who, and by what name for I forgot as child, thought I would die, named my child after me, but Adam as the first born, and when he died, so did the "I" that was before that, father, workaholic, and more. Your idea of fate leaves out such things as I have seen and done, the astral travel, time itself a weave that you can see through which implies a fate, supercomputers that may be competing for the Mandella Effect is real, but why? Its a game? You picked parents, Wii all came to play. To many victims of their own minds. Spirit is real, a Wubtron. With that, a short enough comment I hope, and proof from my view, that fate may be the thing you and I came to help create, a future with intentions created before Wii jumped into the holographic game of life. Best time to be here ever. Good luck with your health... it is a wealth to make happiness here easier. So much is controllable, no matter what, but what eyes, or "I"s do you use?
“Humans are infinitely more than perception and logic”—Is this a perception of yours? Is it logic? Is it (an) intuition? Is it an observation? Is it science? What substantiation can you offer for this? “Infinitely”? Really? “What makes you think you are right?” From which of your faculties does this originate?
The same applies to this: “...the least convincing source of truth judgment for people is perception, and logic overrides it, but logic is overridden by emotions and intuitions, while all of the previous three levels are superseded by existential decisions...”.
What is a thought if it is not a feeling/sense/experience that refers (to a possible reality)? Isn't your/our confidence (which is an experience) at any given moment all you/we ultimately have to rely on? Isn't it where the buck stops? I'm confident that it is.
I love this article. It articulates what I’ve been trying to say and haven’t been able to.
I wouldn’t consider myself religious, I’m not even sure I believe in a “God” per say, however I act/behave as if there is a higher power (something greater than myself) and what I do and say matter and impact others. I also believe that all life is sacred and should be handled as such.
What goes into my mind, my body and my soul are my responsibility. What comes out of my mind, my body and my soul are my also my responsibility. This is free will.
There is so much wisdom and guidance out there if you just look for it!
As far as I can see, existential decisions stand a chance for exercising free will. When I look into my soul and ask myself the question, "What kind of world I want to and willing to live in?", my answer can be real, if I let everything I know go and stay alone with the question.
The world is obviously being created, but it's a different story to have some kind of a faith. In my case, that is a solely existential decision, but it is also based on profane encounters with the transcendent (I have very little imagination and usually see things as they are). Here is a little bit of my story:
If people understood how abundant, intelligent and resilient nature (our bodies) are, they wouldn’t be grasping after any of humanity’s bias “solutions”. The earth is going to carry on just fine with or without humanity’s “contributions”. To this day, there is not one human “creation” that has even come close to the beauty, wisdom and absolute perfection of nature.
We are animals. We either behave like prey or predator, unless we use our prefrontal cortex and make up our minds.
Centralization of power precedes the collapse of all civilizations. This time, mass extinction might precede the collapse... Feudal anarchy or a dead planet are the options, and I'm not sure which is better for humanity, because if history started a million times over, it would always end like this.
my friend from yorkshire said to me ,, hey mate Gods will MUST be better than my will , im better off with gods will.... of course now how do we contact Gods will ??? we have the power of discernment to discern between right and wrong and we feel it whenj we do right also we feel it when we do wrong ... also we have the voice of our consciense although corrupted still when we ask god directly we get the right answer or attitude ... thanks and glory to the Father Son And Holy Spirit
There is evidence that around four percent of people born are born without a conscience. We call them psychopaths. They cannot distinguish between good and evil or right and wrong.
In my understanding, EVERYBODY is born without the knowledge of right and wrong, and their primary socialization conditions them before they become fully conscious around the age of 5 to follow suit.
Reconditioning is possible, but it must be permanent; once it stops, the person falls back to their original state of "conscience."
I usually warn people of using the "psychopath" label, because it easily applies to the one using it:
every aspect to everything is manifest in this insipid life of duality ... good God please help us all turn / return [ to the singularity ] of goodness truth and love
"In fact, its role was the same as that of “The American Dream”: to make sure that the disadvantaged accept their places and have hope that one day (or in a “next life,” whatever that means) they will be better off, but for the time being, they deserve their lot."
Does this statement truly reflect how you deem "Free Will" to be Ray?
"The disadvantaged deserve their lot" is what i have read when i dismantle the noise within the words, but they must subscribe to "The American Dream" as that will give them hope?
Boy Oh Boy, you have really gone above and beyond in instigating "quite the rigorous debate" with these statements;
How any of the above can be interpreted as instilling Free Will requires a very well seeded imagination in my opinion;
Of course, it is, but only among other things. "Religions" that didn't fill the purpose of serving social stability were usually ruthlessly eradicated. You, Mark, and I are saying the same thing, only from different perspectives.
I don't interpret that we are essentially saying the same thing Ray;
Let's look at the phrase "social stability" that you throw out;
"Social Stability" is conforming to anothers ideal of what stability means; The "church" aka Religion, has been instilling ITS will on the poor, yes the poor, since the beginning of Lords and Majesties etc..... They (Lords and Majesties) deemed themselves to be above the People who were tending "their" fields and beasts for "their" banquets while the good people, albeit, poor, lived in squalor and ate whatever they could get their hands on out of sight of His Lordship or the poor would have to pay for eating His Lordships property; Seems plenty Stable to i IF i were of Nobility......Nobility always hid behind the Religion of The Church;
Mixing, or confusing the Bible with Religion;
I'm sure we can all accept that the Bible is open to interpretation; It is ones perception of what the words on the pages of the Bible mean to the One reading the words; And this is where Religion has gotten its dirty paws into the minds of the weak;
You see, many people don't have the power of perception and take what is told them as The Gospel Truth; Also, its astounding how many can not read and write, even today, so this has also played into the hands of Religion; Even the illiterate among us seek some type of spiritual guidance when they can't find it themselves.....enter The Church as the saviour that will guide you to Him;
So the good folk of the village trudge along to The Church every Sunday and drop a few coins of gold into the collection plate so that they can listen to "Fathers" interpretation of the Holy Book because they have been led to believe that this is way to find God; The bad folk, the poor, kept on tending the fields and beasts for the "good folk"....the poor had nothing they could offer The Church........
There are many Religions throughout the world, but only a few promote peace and acceptance of all; Funnily enough, those that are of peace and acceptance do not have "preachers" or a church as such; Their whole way of life is a church; The Village is a church and each soul within the village has something in the way of wisdom to offer;
Catholics vs Protestants; Catholics vs Islam; Catholics vs Buddhism; Catholics vs the world by all accounts; Islam has also picked up it's ball and dared the world to play against it; Then we have Judas...oh the Judas; what a fine bunch of religious zealots we have there; The Goyim are useless; The Goyim are stupid; The Goyim deserve nothing but to be our slaves and we will eat there young.........
The Bible teaches nothing if not peace, forgiveness and love for all creatures; We are created in the image of God; God is not above us; God is within us all; This is spirituality; A belief that there is a Greater Good;
Now go and tell this to the Catholics of the world........
It's the most important question a human being can ask himself. The younger one asks it the better but you are not going to be thanked for it. In other words it does not seem to be part of the accepted rites of initiation.
The affirmative answer comes at a high price, the negative at an even higher. That however is perceived only in hindsight. And so a lot of people are led astray.
What if it does ... as long as wisdom prevails. Western religion is one of the systems beyond repair and has been from its inception. We might as well ignore it.
For me, the basic tenets of Christianity are good, and I expect that applies to most religions. It's the power-hungry and the whackos that bring everything undone. That's when a little insight and critical thinking is useful.
Each person is either the slave of GOD, or the slave of the devil, each person is either a sinfull slave to sin, or else is A holy Saint, A CHRISTian, the slae to RIGHTeousness
Please, notice that this is not a religious site, and if you want me to start up a discussion topic, I am more than willing to do it, but please, keep theological arguments away from articles that do not address the subject directly.
Please, notice that, while I do mention a Creator in the article, I only go as far as epistemological and cognitive considerations require. That's all the way I am willing to go, because I am not interested in people getting into arguments over religions or theology. Those arguments are usually endless and never end well.
You did mention free will; and THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, THE TRUE WORD OF GOD, Says these very things concerning free will. And I said nothing about religion; what I said is about CHRIST, THE CREATOR LORD GOD and HIS CHRISTianity which have nothing to do with religion.
THE TRUE WORD OF GOD, THE HOLY SCRIPTURES? Says you? You accepted that as the truth, but I'm not so gullible. Been on this planet for 69 years and a have come to the conclusion that the Bible is a book of spells, or a Grimoire and not much else. There's some good in it, but as clever as the controllers of this planet are, they always slip in a bit of truth just to confuse us. They are masters at deceiving the ignorant. They have a head start on us, because they have been doing this for over five thousand years. Do not take my comment and observation as criticism, or condemnation of your choice to believe what you think is the truth. You exercised your FREE WILL as is your unalienable right.
Please respect Ray and keep your religion out of this substack.
What you are saying does follow the logic, but I was coming from a cognitive point of view. Free Will cannot be defined philosophically, because philosophy cannot prove its existence. I proved it in a system that focuses on how people make their truth judgments.
You are more than welcome to start up your own Substack, if your focus is on Christ or I can start up a discussion room for people who want to discuss it.
Funny, as it is, I think I am the first one to solve the problem of Free Will, at least as a cognitive asset. Not sure, where the gold is, but I haven't seen any. :)
"The first to solve the problem of Free Will" Really?
Well i will use my Free Will to deny that observation of yours as being nowhere near factual;
"I think therefor i am" is not always a true statement Ray;
There are many (very to the present) "people" whom i could name as "I think therefor i am" types instilling their version of Free Will onto us but that will break the rules of engagement and start another topic;
I will leave this reply with this little gem that i carry with me at all times;
"It is only a truly Arrogant man who professes to have nothing more to learn";
As far as i am concerned, "Experts" and "Professors" fall into this category
How so Ray? Being concise in what i type is taking over is it?
Giving an answer as another question about the integrity of someone who is asking a legitimate question to the answers or statements you provide seems off Ray;
Yet somehow yours is "a better question" when it has zero to do with the subject matter;
I would of thought that someone who is apparently interested in Cognitive Reasoning processes would be more than willing to participate in a debate that you yourself instigated, which by your account, was prompted by me nonetheless;
For your information, what i do and how i do it is totally mine to know and frankly no-one else's business; That is called Free Will; My Free Will; If i care to share with others what it is i do, have done, or what i would like to do, again, is My Free Will;
But, so as i don't appear to be pig headed, I am struggling with coming off of a medication that i have been taking for neigh on 10 years and it is playing havoc with my equilibrium and my balance is way off kilter; I don't dare work with tools or even dare to walk any distance at the moment; Hopefully this horrible ever present vertigo like feeling will disappear soon;
Also take note that we are in different time zones to the tune of around 12 hours; It is 5:30pm on the 4th of January as i sit here typing this;
"What do (you) i want to accomplish?
Well that is a very open ended question Ray;
If you are asking with regard to joining in on the discussions that you ask for, well, let's just say i like to provoke thought; Perhaps make another think of something they haven't before; Perhaps enlighten; Perhaps entertain; I haven't really given any thought to "what i want to accomplish"; I have no agenda if that is what you are asking;
I am just but one among many with a life full of varied and many experiences that perhaps has some pearls of wisdom to share
I have seen websites destroyed by swamped by lengthy, frequent, and/or irrelevant comments, so IF YOU WANT THIS SITE TO LAST, please, consider the following.
It has become a MAJOR problem that lots of topics are raised that do not pertain to the subject of the article. I am guilty, because I started to participate in such conversations previously, but I won’t be able to do it any longer.
I guess, it is because my time is limited, I haven’t done it, but people are coming up with several good topics that I must start separately in order to keep discussions on the subject. Swamping a comment section with irrelevant comments, no matter how interesting they are, deters good commenters, and eventually readers, in the long run.
Would you like to suggest topics for which I can start up articles for discussions?
Comment here or respond to the e-mail about any of my posts:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/do-not-swamp-my-comment-sections
Please, notice that I’ll be unlikely to be able to join the conversations most of the time, so if you have a problem, you have to report it.
IMPORTANT REQUEST:
Also, I am asking you to keep your comments at a reasonable size and do not post more than a few in a comment section, because that phenomenon has become rampant recently. When comment sections are taken over by a few people, others stay away, which is against the purpose of my site.
When I notice again that someone takes over a whole section with unnecessarily lengthy (they could start up their own Substack and insert links instead), exceedingly frequent, or repeatedly irrelevant comments, that person will be the first person I’ll have to ban.
About Marks' statement : "In us there is God ." Just a story about Jesus and his disciples .
He was telling them that he is leaving . So one of the disciple said to him : " Lord you are leaving us so we want to build a temple where we can be with you . But we don't know where to build it . On the hill or in the valley ? "
He said to him : " Build the temple in your heart , and I will be with you day and night ."
So . Its not necessary to have a middleman between you and God .
"Here comes the mother of all truth judgments, which I am calling the “existential” level, because it is based on what kind of life I am willing to accept instead of getting killed for my non-conformist behavior." - I get what you are saying but I'm reading this and the thought "this is so sick!! it's like science fiction!!" popped into my head. What kind of world is this????!!!! Also, I thought I'd share a few links that are eye opening https://chemtrails.substack.com/p/committee-of-300-21-goals-to-destroy and a in dept audio book https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/tavistock-institute-of-human-relations-audiobook/#comments
"The Tavistock Institute for Human Relations has had a profound effect on the moral, spiritual, cultural, political and economic policies of the United States of America and Great Britain. It has been in the front line of the attack on the US Constitution and State Constitutions.
No group did more to propagandize the US to participate in WWI at a time when the majority of the American people were opposed to it. Much the same tactics were used by the Social Science Scientists at Tavistock to get the United States into WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Serbia and both wars against Iraq.
Tavistock began as a propaganda-creating and- disseminating organization at Wellington House in London in the run-up to WWI, what Toynbee called “that black hole of disinformation.” On another occasion, Toynbee called Wellington House “a lie factory.” From a somewhat crude beginning, Wellington House evolved into the Tavistock Institute and went on to shape the destiny of Germany, Russia, Britain and the United States in a highly controversial manner. The people of these nations were unaware that they were being “brainwashed.” The origin of “mind control,” “inner directional conditioning” and mass “brainwashing” is explained in an easy to understand book written with great authority.
This book is required reading/listening, if you want to understand what is happening to us today, which is the implementation of the various pop cultural movements and mainstream news talking points that have brainwashed us.
Coleman, a former British Intelligence officer who later became a naturalized US Citizen explained that the UN, the WHO and the Bank for International Settlements are all executive arms of the Royal Institute of International Affairs – and ultimately, of the ‘Committee of 300’, which is controlled by ancient aristocratic families whose stratospheric wealth makes the tech oligarchs of our age look like pikers.
This book tells precisely who “They” are, and what they have planned for our future, exactly how they have brainwashed us and how they have been at war with the American nation for 80 years.
‘Tavistock Institute of Human Relations’ is as fresh today as it was 30 years ago. Dr Coleman names names and gives us more details about the perpetrators and their motives than most red-pilled content being produced today. Like his other classic book, ‘The Committee of 300’, the importance of ‘Tavistock Institute of Human Relations’ cannot be overstated.-
If the AI is able to hack and mind control us, how can we have free will?
Most people live their whole lives according to their programming; no AI is needed to deprive them from Free Will. Free Will is harder to exercise than most people assume:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/i-have-solved-the-question-of-free
The way I can imagine mind control, it's
1. hive mind (so getting away from the crowd can help)
2. voices in the head and disobeying the instructions causes unbearable pain
3. Zombifying a person (which is what many psychiatric "madications" do).
I will wish your comments section well, no wish to see it sink. Blessings to your journey. I can go back and remove the contestable few I have put here but it seems pointless.
The challenge, to say much with few words.
Once you experience seeing the future, an event, the death of your son for example. The place, say Paris, France, in a specific neighborhood. Suppose the timing were down to the year, 24th, not yet 25 and you were to do all in your power, saying no, don't go, and successfully deterring his travels to Paris, France, just in case there is a thing called fate that you can not escape. He went anyway, as boys will do, and when I talked him into returning, 2 days before, he drowned, in Paris, France, to be found after weeks, and help from CIA friends, in the morgue at Notre Damned (intention sp) , and cremated in the neighborhood for corpses above. Fate was unstoppable and I was given a gift. Proof. I denied fate, said no God could preset such deterministic points of reference, time, place, who, and by what name for I forgot as child, thought I would die, named my child after me, but Adam as the first born, and when he died, so did the "I" that was before that, father, workaholic, and more. Your idea of fate leaves out such things as I have seen and done, the astral travel, time itself a weave that you can see through which implies a fate, supercomputers that may be competing for the Mandella Effect is real, but why? Its a game? You picked parents, Wii all came to play. To many victims of their own minds. Spirit is real, a Wubtron. With that, a short enough comment I hope, and proof from my view, that fate may be the thing you and I came to help create, a future with intentions created before Wii jumped into the holographic game of life. Best time to be here ever. Good luck with your health... it is a wealth to make happiness here easier. So much is controllable, no matter what, but what eyes, or "I"s do you use?
“Humans are infinitely more than perception and logic”—Is this a perception of yours? Is it logic? Is it (an) intuition? Is it an observation? Is it science? What substantiation can you offer for this? “Infinitely”? Really? “What makes you think you are right?” From which of your faculties does this originate?
The same applies to this: “...the least convincing source of truth judgment for people is perception, and logic overrides it, but logic is overridden by emotions and intuitions, while all of the previous three levels are superseded by existential decisions...”.
What is a thought if it is not a feeling/sense/experience that refers (to a possible reality)? Isn't your/our confidence (which is an experience) at any given moment all you/we ultimately have to rely on? Isn't it where the buck stops? I'm confident that it is.
I love this article. It articulates what I’ve been trying to say and haven’t been able to.
I wouldn’t consider myself religious, I’m not even sure I believe in a “God” per say, however I act/behave as if there is a higher power (something greater than myself) and what I do and say matter and impact others. I also believe that all life is sacred and should be handled as such.
What goes into my mind, my body and my soul are my responsibility. What comes out of my mind, my body and my soul are my also my responsibility. This is free will.
There is so much wisdom and guidance out there if you just look for it!
Thank you kindly.
As far as I can see, existential decisions stand a chance for exercising free will. When I look into my soul and ask myself the question, "What kind of world I want to and willing to live in?", my answer can be real, if I let everything I know go and stay alone with the question.
The world is obviously being created, but it's a different story to have some kind of a faith. In my case, that is a solely existential decision, but it is also based on profane encounters with the transcendent (I have very little imagination and usually see things as they are). Here is a little bit of my story:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/no-i-am-not-a-religious-nut
If people understood how abundant, intelligent and resilient nature (our bodies) are, they wouldn’t be grasping after any of humanity’s bias “solutions”. The earth is going to carry on just fine with or without humanity’s “contributions”. To this day, there is not one human “creation” that has even come close to the beauty, wisdom and absolute perfection of nature.
We are animals. We either behave like prey or predator, unless we use our prefrontal cortex and make up our minds.
Centralization of power precedes the collapse of all civilizations. This time, mass extinction might precede the collapse... Feudal anarchy or a dead planet are the options, and I'm not sure which is better for humanity, because if history started a million times over, it would always end like this.
my friend from yorkshire said to me ,, hey mate Gods will MUST be better than my will , im better off with gods will.... of course now how do we contact Gods will ??? we have the power of discernment to discern between right and wrong and we feel it whenj we do right also we feel it when we do wrong ... also we have the voice of our consciense although corrupted still when we ask god directly we get the right answer or attitude ... thanks and glory to the Father Son And Holy Spirit
There is evidence that around four percent of people born are born without a conscience. We call them psychopaths. They cannot distinguish between good and evil or right and wrong.
does 4% fecal matter ruins 96% of an apple pie? or the whole apple pie ... is this a fair analagy i wonder ?
In my understanding, EVERYBODY is born without the knowledge of right and wrong, and their primary socialization conditions them before they become fully conscious around the age of 5 to follow suit.
Reconditioning is possible, but it must be permanent; once it stops, the person falls back to their original state of "conscience."
I usually warn people of using the "psychopath" label, because it easily applies to the one using it:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/looking-for-psychopaths
One must not become like the ones (s)he is fighting:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/do-not-become-like-those-whom-you
when we experience suffering and joy then we know [gnosis] and can discern what is good and bad ie we become and get conscious, and conscience
every aspect to everything is manifest in this insipid life of duality ... good God please help us all turn / return [ to the singularity ] of goodness truth and love
"In fact, its role was the same as that of “The American Dream”: to make sure that the disadvantaged accept their places and have hope that one day (or in a “next life,” whatever that means) they will be better off, but for the time being, they deserve their lot."
Does this statement truly reflect how you deem "Free Will" to be Ray?
"The disadvantaged deserve their lot" is what i have read when i dismantle the noise within the words, but they must subscribe to "The American Dream" as that will give them hope?
Boy Oh Boy, you have really gone above and beyond in instigating "quite the rigorous debate" with these statements;
How any of the above can be interpreted as instilling Free Will requires a very well seeded imagination in my opinion;
Reads to me like indoctrination
I have a better question. In the last few days, you have been taking over whole comment sections on my site. What do you want to accomplish?
How do you have time for all this? I certainly don't.
I have to side with Mark. Religion is Control. Period. AMEN!
Of course, it is, but only among other things. "Religions" that didn't fill the purpose of serving social stability were usually ruthlessly eradicated. You, Mark, and I are saying the same thing, only from different perspectives.
I don't interpret that we are essentially saying the same thing Ray;
Let's look at the phrase "social stability" that you throw out;
"Social Stability" is conforming to anothers ideal of what stability means; The "church" aka Religion, has been instilling ITS will on the poor, yes the poor, since the beginning of Lords and Majesties etc..... They (Lords and Majesties) deemed themselves to be above the People who were tending "their" fields and beasts for "their" banquets while the good people, albeit, poor, lived in squalor and ate whatever they could get their hands on out of sight of His Lordship or the poor would have to pay for eating His Lordships property; Seems plenty Stable to i IF i were of Nobility......Nobility always hid behind the Religion of The Church;
Mixing, or confusing the Bible with Religion;
I'm sure we can all accept that the Bible is open to interpretation; It is ones perception of what the words on the pages of the Bible mean to the One reading the words; And this is where Religion has gotten its dirty paws into the minds of the weak;
You see, many people don't have the power of perception and take what is told them as The Gospel Truth; Also, its astounding how many can not read and write, even today, so this has also played into the hands of Religion; Even the illiterate among us seek some type of spiritual guidance when they can't find it themselves.....enter The Church as the saviour that will guide you to Him;
So the good folk of the village trudge along to The Church every Sunday and drop a few coins of gold into the collection plate so that they can listen to "Fathers" interpretation of the Holy Book because they have been led to believe that this is way to find God; The bad folk, the poor, kept on tending the fields and beasts for the "good folk"....the poor had nothing they could offer The Church........
There are many Religions throughout the world, but only a few promote peace and acceptance of all; Funnily enough, those that are of peace and acceptance do not have "preachers" or a church as such; Their whole way of life is a church; The Village is a church and each soul within the village has something in the way of wisdom to offer;
Catholics vs Protestants; Catholics vs Islam; Catholics vs Buddhism; Catholics vs the world by all accounts; Islam has also picked up it's ball and dared the world to play against it; Then we have Judas...oh the Judas; what a fine bunch of religious zealots we have there; The Goyim are useless; The Goyim are stupid; The Goyim deserve nothing but to be our slaves and we will eat there young.........
The Bible teaches nothing if not peace, forgiveness and love for all creatures; We are created in the image of God; God is not above us; God is within us all; This is spirituality; A belief that there is a Greater Good;
Now go and tell this to the Catholics of the world........
I will try and come up with something off topic.
It's the most important question a human being can ask himself. The younger one asks it the better but you are not going to be thanked for it. In other words it does not seem to be part of the accepted rites of initiation.
The affirmative answer comes at a high price, the negative at an even higher. That however is perceived only in hindsight. And so a lot of people are led astray.
Moreover, at this point, everyone is alone, and some people cannot take that... Those are the ones who cannot put up with five minutes of silence...
EXACTLY.
We are swamped with noise-needers, fun-lovers and soulless skulls. God, it is getting harder to bear by the day.
Whereas in (what I call) reality we are ALONE from birth and till our dying hour. That is what makes life so fascinating, to me.
Excellent observation; We are all of us, Alone;
Without being Alone, what would we be?;
Mindless beings just going along with "the norm" with no wisdom to share or thoughts to offer......sounds a bit like Religion don't you think?
What if it does ... as long as wisdom prevails. Western religion is one of the systems beyond repair and has been from its inception. We might as well ignore it.
For me, the basic tenets of Christianity are good, and I expect that applies to most religions. It's the power-hungry and the whackos that bring everything undone. That's when a little insight and critical thinking is useful.
Life starts with that recognition! :)
"We" are all in this together. Alone.
The Tribulation begins on the day deceiving peace comes throughout the whole world
Each person is either the slave of GOD, or the slave of the devil, each person is either a sinfull slave to sin, or else is A holy Saint, A CHRISTian, the slae to RIGHTeousness
Larry,
Please, notice that this is not a religious site, and if you want me to start up a discussion topic, I am more than willing to do it, but please, keep theological arguments away from articles that do not address the subject directly.
Please, notice that, while I do mention a Creator in the article, I only go as far as epistemological and cognitive considerations require. That's all the way I am willing to go, because I am not interested in people getting into arguments over religions or theology. Those arguments are usually endless and never end well.
Thank you for your understanding.
You did mention free will; and THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, THE TRUE WORD OF GOD, Says these very things concerning free will. And I said nothing about religion; what I said is about CHRIST, THE CREATOR LORD GOD and HIS CHRISTianity which have nothing to do with religion.
THE TRUE WORD OF GOD, THE HOLY SCRIPTURES? Says you? You accepted that as the truth, but I'm not so gullible. Been on this planet for 69 years and a have come to the conclusion that the Bible is a book of spells, or a Grimoire and not much else. There's some good in it, but as clever as the controllers of this planet are, they always slip in a bit of truth just to confuse us. They are masters at deceiving the ignorant. They have a head start on us, because they have been doing this for over five thousand years. Do not take my comment and observation as criticism, or condemnation of your choice to believe what you think is the truth. You exercised your FREE WILL as is your unalienable right.
Please respect Ray and keep your religion out of this substack.
Thank you
What you are saying does follow the logic, but I was coming from a cognitive point of view. Free Will cannot be defined philosophically, because philosophy cannot prove its existence. I proved it in a system that focuses on how people make their truth judgments.
You are more than welcome to start up your own Substack, if your focus is on Christ or I can start up a discussion room for people who want to discuss it.
Deep stuff. Thats where the gold is.
Funny, as it is, I think I am the first one to solve the problem of Free Will, at least as a cognitive asset. Not sure, where the gold is, but I haven't seen any. :)
That reads as terribly arrogant Ray;
"The first to solve the problem of Free Will" Really?
Well i will use my Free Will to deny that observation of yours as being nowhere near factual;
"I think therefor i am" is not always a true statement Ray;
There are many (very to the present) "people" whom i could name as "I think therefor i am" types instilling their version of Free Will onto us but that will break the rules of engagement and start another topic;
I will leave this reply with this little gem that i carry with me at all times;
"It is only a truly Arrogant man who professes to have nothing more to learn";
As far as i am concerned, "Experts" and "Professors" fall into this category
From a cognitive point of view, it is true and there is nothing arrogant about it.
So now you are suggesting in a convoluted way that i am not of Cognitive substance;
Where is it known, without doubt, that your cognitive ability exceeds that of any other in the room?;
Is it not the perception of the spoken to that defines what is true to them?; This what i define as Free Will;
As i stated, i could use many present "people" in this debate but that will lead people onto other subjects;
But, would i be negating outside of the debate to just use this one tiny little phrase of modern time?
"Trust The Science"
Read into that what you will but i only intend on the phrase to be used as a demonstration for affirming my argument
I have a better question. In the last few days, you have been taking over whole comment sections on my site. What do you want to accomplish?
How do you have time for all this? I certainly don't.
"Taking over whole comment sections"
How so Ray? Being concise in what i type is taking over is it?
Giving an answer as another question about the integrity of someone who is asking a legitimate question to the answers or statements you provide seems off Ray;
Yet somehow yours is "a better question" when it has zero to do with the subject matter;
I would of thought that someone who is apparently interested in Cognitive Reasoning processes would be more than willing to participate in a debate that you yourself instigated, which by your account, was prompted by me nonetheless;
For your information, what i do and how i do it is totally mine to know and frankly no-one else's business; That is called Free Will; My Free Will; If i care to share with others what it is i do, have done, or what i would like to do, again, is My Free Will;
But, so as i don't appear to be pig headed, I am struggling with coming off of a medication that i have been taking for neigh on 10 years and it is playing havoc with my equilibrium and my balance is way off kilter; I don't dare work with tools or even dare to walk any distance at the moment; Hopefully this horrible ever present vertigo like feeling will disappear soon;
Also take note that we are in different time zones to the tune of around 12 hours; It is 5:30pm on the 4th of January as i sit here typing this;
"What do (you) i want to accomplish?
Well that is a very open ended question Ray;
If you are asking with regard to joining in on the discussions that you ask for, well, let's just say i like to provoke thought; Perhaps make another think of something they haven't before; Perhaps enlighten; Perhaps entertain; I haven't really given any thought to "what i want to accomplish"; I have no agenda if that is what you are asking;
I am just but one among many with a life full of varied and many experiences that perhaps has some pearls of wisdom to share