How can there be goals without (bad) feelings? Logic and intelligence only come into play as tools to solve the problem of unrelieved bad feelings, don't they? When you were doing your experiment as a 19-year-old, you were still motivated to act by dissatisfactions of some sort (hunger, fatigue, fear, discomfort, ...), weren't you? To what were you applying logic otherwise?
This is EXACTLY how I see it happening. Those who are pushing all of this, for some reason, don't see what they are doing to their own world!! I think, as the Hyena said lately, they are thinking that they'll be on Mars living the high life eventually. What makes them think that they'll be part of that "elite" group? When the going gets tough, not only do they turn on one another, they eat them.
Three levels of social organization are recognized among human hunter-gatherers: the community, the domestic unit, and the band. We describe the key features of these three levels and show how they are intimately connected.Sep 8, 2012
re 'When I was 19, I wanted to experience what it’s like to live without feelings and self-reflection, limiting myself to sensory input and logic.'
That was a serious thought experiment, a young mans resolve applied. The result is almost predictable, and probably much reproducable. I do wonder what prompted you to try living emotionless (like Spock?)...now, I think Muckerberg is closet to achieving it, (that meme! where he is a Vulcan!). I can see an allure to it, and parts of me are coldly logical as well, aka reptilian. It's good to know that your experiment beautifully and humanely failed....a spin on John Henry, as well, the old way (romantics et al), the new way (circuitboard et al). For me the question is where does the emotion go? when it is denied or when it is seen as a weakness? Where do the logic aliens put it?-it does, like your experiment, seem to eventually overwhelm and spill out regardless of our desired fences to contain it. Denial is not wrt emotions. (Check). Seems partnparcel of being a full human, that ole emotion. Just the facts, Maam. Cold hard facts.
re the self reflection you disavowed, what did that mean to you? To not self reflect.
Not saying sorry? Not seeing your actions as good or bad, just 'was or wasnt', did or didn't....
A particular character you were emulating in that? A crazy aunt or uncle who you didnt want to become like? but I regress....Being able to gauge your own state relative to some other marker, while not becoming a spreadsheet, essentially. A resume. A winner at any cost. An impossible balance that we must try to balance. Or it will self balance without your...tacit approval, is indeed my experience...best from oregon
In your caste pyramid graphic, what is the meaning of the words "twice born groups"?
How can there be goals without (bad) feelings? Logic and intelligence only come into play as tools to solve the problem of unrelieved bad feelings, don't they? When you were doing your experiment as a 19-year-old, you were still motivated to act by dissatisfactions of some sort (hunger, fatigue, fear, discomfort, ...), weren't you? To what were you applying logic otherwise?
"As long as they control the global money supply, it’s game over for humanity." https://courageouslion380.substack.com/p/there-is-a-reason-they-dont-listen
This is EXACTLY how I see it happening. Those who are pushing all of this, for some reason, don't see what they are doing to their own world!! I think, as the Hyena said lately, they are thinking that they'll be on Mars living the high life eventually. What makes them think that they'll be part of that "elite" group? When the going gets tough, not only do they turn on one another, they eat them.
Three levels of social organization are recognized among human hunter-gatherers: the community, the domestic unit, and the band. We describe the key features of these three levels and show how they are intimately connected.Sep 8, 2012
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Antiquity and Social Functions of Multilevel Social Organization Among Human ...
fascinating... i appreciate the concise description of the terms... definitions must be established to have a coherent conversation...
The useless eater part is more towards those who use money to buy food. Which is nearly everyone now.
I had written this early today and bec it seems relevant, re logic vs creativity and feelings....
visiting st catherines
this is after you were at college
The mysterious 8 legged 2 headed calf
appeared to me today in a photograph
but then i realized it was just 2 calves
one behind the other and I had to laugh.
and think of my grandpa. (I only knew
my fathers father, my mothers had passed
before or just after I was born).
His name was Lawrence Sauriol. He had a sense
of humor, a creativity, based on my handful
of times with him. When we would visit
from Detroit, about twice a year or so,
we would sit around and watch tv, or he would play
solitaire endlessly, usually, but one
morning he was reading newspaper ads.
One, for selling socks or underwear, featured
a picture of a persons leg, showing their knee.
If you looked at the knee just right, you
could see a little face in the knee, I could too,
once he pointed it out to me. I was suprised,
adults did not often think like that; or so I
had thought at that point. Adulthood seemed a
logic trip to me as a kid. Less so now, daily.
I think of that alot, of seeing little faces in
knots of wood and in pancakes, (who doesn't?)
and in other suprising places. It makes life
more meaningful and fun, if nothing else.
Once when i was visiting my grandpa on
my fathers side on the canadian side of the
niagra falls called st catherines
where the men would throw coins from the ships
into my eager cousins hands ,
he would show you his coin collection-
there once when i was visiting my grandpa and gramma
skinny gramma because she was much removed
parts inside from surgeries but she lived on
through them for longer than anyone thought she could
my grandpa took me outside to play catch
he asked me if i wanted to and i was sure to say yes
so we went with mitts and a ball to the back yard
which was very deep and long and had a green canoe
on blocks it was metal and it was grandpas canoe
and I only ever saw it on blocks but it looked like
it had seen good use but was without dents
and the grass was green
and the potats were green in the garden rows behind him
and the rubarb leaves made a backdrop
and we played catch. grandpa would do a wind
up like a pitcher for every throw, he played
catch with me. he played catch with me. For all of 12 minutes
but it was enough to make me so happy.
i cried when we drove away from st catherines
that time. he was a fun guy, my grandpa, he
made a special effort for me, i see now.
re 'When I was 19, I wanted to experience what it’s like to live without feelings and self-reflection, limiting myself to sensory input and logic.'
That was a serious thought experiment, a young mans resolve applied. The result is almost predictable, and probably much reproducable. I do wonder what prompted you to try living emotionless (like Spock?)...now, I think Muckerberg is closet to achieving it, (that meme! where he is a Vulcan!). I can see an allure to it, and parts of me are coldly logical as well, aka reptilian. It's good to know that your experiment beautifully and humanely failed....a spin on John Henry, as well, the old way (romantics et al), the new way (circuitboard et al). For me the question is where does the emotion go? when it is denied or when it is seen as a weakness? Where do the logic aliens put it?-it does, like your experiment, seem to eventually overwhelm and spill out regardless of our desired fences to contain it. Denial is not wrt emotions. (Check). Seems partnparcel of being a full human, that ole emotion. Just the facts, Maam. Cold hard facts.
re the self reflection you disavowed, what did that mean to you? To not self reflect.
Not saying sorry? Not seeing your actions as good or bad, just 'was or wasnt', did or didn't....
A particular character you were emulating in that? A crazy aunt or uncle who you didnt want to become like? but I regress....Being able to gauge your own state relative to some other marker, while not becoming a spreadsheet, essentially. A resume. A winner at any cost. An impossible balance that we must try to balance. Or it will self balance without your...tacit approval, is indeed my experience...best from oregon