1 IDIOT SAID GAS STOVES, which are cheaper, are RACIST, Poor people can't afford electric stoves. Illogical. Having cooked on both, I'll take the gas.
Biden has them in every home. Remember Pelosi Ice Cream Freezer with all that high End 'donated' Ice Cream most people can't afford? The WH ONLY USES GAS. His fancy Chef wouldn't cook on electric ones. Nor would any renowned Chef. They use Charcol grills, not propane. Your Hot Water Tank is next.
We have a Jacuzzi Tankless, gas with an electric starter, the fireplace is gas, electric starter.
Thank you for the link! Of course, this is a public conversation and the details are for everyone here.
As many "Presidents," he is a sock puppet (the rest of them were part of the Cabal as 33rd-degree Masons, although Masons at lower levels usually have next to no idea what they are doing).
The US government was hijacked, when it got incorporated in a foreign land called Washinton, DC, in 1871, and the line has been straight ever since:
Narcissists always project. They always accuse or point to others for what they are or what they are doing. I don't know if she is one, they're usually a lot brighter.
The Green New Deal is enough to convince me of the lack of functioning brain cells.... and then there's all the rest she's said and done. (I know this and I don't even live anywhere near America) ;)
The entire Climate Change crap is just that: CRAP.
Another psy op...a huge one they have been pushing for years.
So they can get you off the dollar and real currency, by shoving you into CBDC...which will be
connected to your carbon footprint.
You WILL EAT THE BUGS< YOU WILL LIVE IN A POD, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR FOOD DELIVERED AND YOU WILL DO WHAT WE TELL YOU. YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND WE DON"T GIVE A DAMN IF YOU ARE HAPPY.
DIE YOU USELESS EATERS. DIE.
Sincerely, Bill Gates , Klaus Schwab, our very own DOD, and the 1%.
IMHO This ol'mechanic had to bunk with a pal for 2 winter mos ,which resulted in scary [even for someone like myself who's got a dozen m/cycle crashes, roofing&tree falls,3rd deg full foot burns under their belt] bilateral lower leg cramps nitely lasting many minutes,headaches et dizziness...all of which were gone after moving out of that gas fired stove&furnace house. Some of us are the canaries in the coalmine,eh?
Gas stove = CO,NOx, PM2.5,formaldehyde (CH2O or HCHO)[.pdf]
' even in the absence of any food, gas combustion produces
PM2.5 (one of the deadliest air pollutants) — research suggests gas cooking produces about twice as much PM2.5 as electric. It also produces nitrogen oxides (NOx), including nitrogen oxide (NO) and nitrogen dioxide (NO2),carbon monoxide (CO), and formaldehyde (CH2O or HCHO).
All of these pollutants are health risks if not properly managed.
Gas stove cooking routinely generates unsafe levels of indoor air pollution
In 2001, a major study of human activity patterns found that people in the US spend roughly 90 percent of their time indoors. It is safe to say that, in the age of Covid-19, that number is even higher.
...We also do most of our breathing inside. ..Yet here’s the doozy: The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) warns that “studies of human exposure to air pollutants indicate that indoor levels of pollutants may be two to five times — and occasionally more than 100 times — higher than outdoor levels.”
Despite those risks, there are no federal standards or guidelines governing indoor pollution. A patchwork of state and local standards protects consumers, inadequately.
One major source of indoor air pollution, it turns out, is the familiar gas stove, which relies on the direct combustion of natural gas.
Four research and advocacy groups — the Rocky Mountain Institute, Mothers Out Front, Physicians for Social Responsibility, and the Sierra Club — have released a new literature review, assessing two decades worth of peer-reviewed studies. They find that “gas stoves may be exposing tens of millions of people to levels of air pollution in their homes that would be illegal outdoors under national air quality standards.”
We’ll take a quick look at the evidence in the review and then discuss why natural gas companies have fought so hard, for so long, to fend off regulation of gas stoves. Finally, we’ll conclude that electrifying buildings is the only rational direction for forward-looking policy on health and the climate. (I’m nothing if not predictable.)
What cooking with gas is putting in your air
One reason the debate over cooking pollution is so murky and easily confused is that cooking of any kind produces some pollutants that are harmful if not properly handled. Applying heat to food produces particles — tiny particles (PM10, or particulate matter 10 micrometers in diameter), tinier particles (PM2.5, or 2.5 micrometers in diameter), and even tinier “ultrafine” particles (100 nanometers in diameter) — that can exacerbate respiratory problems.
All cooking should be done in a properly ventilated space, and if your nose warns you something is up, you should open a window. Common sense is your guide.
But cooking through direct combustion of fuel produces more pollutants than electric cooking. This is especially true when cooking with wood or charcoal, which is common in the developing world (one reason millions of Indian women suffer respiratory problems), but it’s even true with gas, the “clean” combustion fuel.
For one thing, even in the absence of any food, gas combustion produces PM2.5 (one of the deadliest air pollutants) — research suggests gas cooking produces about twice as much PM2.5 as electric. It also produces nitrogen oxides (NOx), including nitrogen oxide (NO) and nitrogen dioxide (NO2), carbon monoxide (CO), and formaldehyde (CH2O or HCHO). All of these pollutants are health risks if not properly managed.
CO is an invisible, odorless gas that, at high enough concentrations, causes dizziness, headaches, fatigue, disorientation, and eventually death. (In the US, 27 states require CO monitors by law.) Though research has found that the presence of gas stoves in the home is one source of elevated risk of CO poisoning, that generally only happens when something goes wrong: a gas stove with a pilot light, a poorly ventilated space, a burner left on, something like that. Among average people, symptoms start at around 70 parts per million (ppm).
However, research shows that low-level CO exposure can exacerbate cardiovascular illness among people with coronary heart disease and other vulnerable populations. California’s ambient air quality standards cap CO exposure at 20 ppm over a one-hour period or 9 ppm over an eight-hour period.
“In homes without gas stoves, average CO levels are between 0.5 and 5 ppm,” the report says. “Homes with gas stoves that are properly adjusted are often between 5 and 15 ppm, whereas levels near poorly adjusted stoves can be twice as high: 30 ppm or higher.” Poorly adjusted stoves — incompletely burning fuel, inadequately ventilated — may yield ongoing, low-level CO exposure, putting the vulnerable at greater risk...
And then there’s NO2, one of the most familiar and well-studied pollutants. EPA research shows that exposure to NO2 — even small increases in short-term exposure — exacerbates respiratory problems, particularly asthma, and particularly in children.
A 2013 meta-analysis found that children’s risk of wheeze rose 15 percent for every 15 ppb rise in NO2. In this 2006 study, “a 15 ppb increment in NO2 exposure was found to be associated with a significant 50% increased annual risk of lower respiratory symptoms.” More recent EPA research also linked long-term NO2 exposure to “cardiovascular effects, diabetes, poorer birth outcomes, premature mortality, and cancer.”
Finally, research has linked ongoing NO2 exposure to reduced cognitive performance, especially in children. This 2009 study concluded that “early-life exposure to air pollution from indoor gas appliances may be negatively associated with neuropsychological development through the first 4 years of life, particularly among genetically susceptible children.”..
In short, research shows that even low levels of NO2 exposure are dangerous, especially to the vulnerable. Yet the EPA’s own science shows that homes with gas stoves have around 50 percent, ranging up to over 400 percent, higher levels of NO2 than homes with electric stoves. Concentrations can often exceed US outdoor pollution standards.
When David Lu, CEO and co-founder of Clarity, an outdoor air pollution monitoring company, heard about the indoor air pollution research going on at RMI, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, and elsewhere, he got to thinking. “Out of curiosity,” he says, “I set up some [pollution monitors ] in my own home. The data was crazy.”
“During the hour I was cooking and baking” with a gas stove, he says, NO2 concentrations spiked “close to 200 ppb.” Though concentrations died down afterward, they averaged 140 pub to 150 ppb over the course of the hour, well in excess of the US outdoor NO2 standard of 100 ppb for one-hour exposure. (In response to the latest science, Health Canada has lowered that country’s one-hour outdoor standard to 60 ppb. Its indoor one-hour NO2 standard is 90 ppb; the World Health Organization recommends 106 ppb; the EPA, again, has no indoor pollution standards.)
Lu says concentrations were lower when he took steps to increase ventilation. “I’m definitely trying to open the window now, and the doors if possible, when I’m cooking,” he says, but as he acknowledges, not every user of every gas stove can do that every time they cook.
Vulnerable populations are most at risk from gas stove pollution
Children are at particular risk of health problems if exposed to indoor air pollution, and lower-income households are at higher risk of exposure.
As the EPA says, gas emits a whole stew of toxic chemicals, including the aforementioned PM2.5, NO2, CO, formaldehyde, and more. Research has found that all of those chemicals individually have negative impacts on health. Exactly how they combine to affect children’s respiratory systems is complex and not yet fully understood. It can be difficult to isolate individual factors.
Ventilation can help, but it isn’t enough
...Here’s a fun fact: Stoves are the only major indoor gas appliance not required to be vented outdoors. When it comes to gas furnaces, dryers, and water heaters, regulators have acknowledged the danger of indoor pollution and required a vent leading from the appliance outside.
A stove burns about as much gas as a dryer, but alone among major gas appliances, it faces no such requirement. There are no federal venting requirements for gas stoves in new buildings and, in many states, no state requirements either. Even in states or cities that require outdoor venting, there are few measures in place to ensure they are installed and operating correctly, or maintaining safe air quality....
As "Joe" wrote, ALL ways of cooking produce SOME form of pollution. But if gas ovens/stoves were THAT bad; every chef in the world would be dead by the time they turned 40. The wait staff too. (And EVERYONE who uses gas stoves/ovens; but I use the example of chefs because they are usually exposed to longer hours of exposure to gas stoves daily than the average home cook.)
Not only that; but one point about all of this is that no one in their right mind wants ANY gov't ORDERING the people to do or NOT do/use something; whether it's actually good or bad for us. Let US make our OWN; hopefully INFORMED; decisions.
I'm not rejecting all of the info. you shared; I'm simply saying that at the end of the day; it doesn't really matter. Venting may not take care of 100% of the noxious fumes; but it's better than doing nothing; and wise chefs will crack a door or open a window in the kitchen...I've been in the kitchen of at least one restaurant; I've seen them do that. So thank you for all that you shared; you are correct about a lot; maybe all points, but the points are really moot. Cook/heat the ways YOU want to cook and heat or anything else; just do it as safely as possible; and let everyone else do the same.
Let me tell you a secret. All food cooking produces polution. Considering this, I believe the safest way to proceed would be to starve to death. That will reduce the pollution from cooking to precisely ZERO. Let's start with you if you think gas stoves are such a big issue and then, hopefully, there will be some more volunteers from Davos. Doing their part for mother earth. I am pretty sure their trip this weekend on a private jet will make them feel so ashamed they will decide to volunteer themselves for euthanasia through starvation...
I've always said that a guillotine is the best cure for headaches! :)
The way things are going, these eugenicists are going to free the Earth from "human pollution" altogether!
Yes, volunteers are needed! The Davos monsters are flying on their jets only because they are indispensable for the mass extinction. A little forgiveness to them will go a long way!
Not starvation! Their corpses must be liquefied to fertilize the plants, as they have already legalized the practice in at least two states.
Nah I think people are never interested in what's coming in a few years - retirement perhaps, given how many Americans play the market-but no, in general not at all. The materialist cognition of ME as an epiphenomenon of matter satisfies one and all into grabbing the most toys to win. That this life is merely a phase like that of the Moon seen from Earth is bad for WEF but even worse for the American Adam and Eve
Yeah, on the whole we (us here excepted of course :-) are a lot like the FEW. That's what I keep thinking. Most of us, latter day Adams and Eves, want what the FEW have. Isn't that what the American Dream is and has always been about? But why can't the many see or at least feel that it has turned into a nightmare?
What Greek poets tried to bake into the Greek character ("the half is better than the whole") the Bible for sure has bred out of us, Europeans and their descendants ("And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver and in gold.").
With Abraham, father of the faithful, for an example the Bible has taught us Westerners to put our trust in matter, in the substance of our bodies, in that which rots (if it still gets a chance) after we have spent our lives on trifles.
Excuse me, but I have a deep-down feeling that we deserve those rotten FEW.
The response is from the dead French Catholic Leon Bloy. He lived his faith. We have no faith. We consume. At bottom, what should you do to avoid being an idiot or a swine? Merely this: you should do something great, you should lay aside all the foolishness of a more of less long existence, you should become resigned to the fact that you will seem ridiculous to a race of janitors and bureaucrats if you are to enter the service of Splendor. Then you will know what it means to be the friend of God. The Friend of God! I am on the verge of tears when I think of it. No longer do you know on what block to lay your head, no longer do you know where you are, where you should go. You would like to tear out your heart, so hotly does it burn, and you cannot look upon a creature without trembling with love. You would like to drag yourself on your knees from church to church, with rotten fish strung from your neck, as said the sublime Angela de Foligno. And when you leave these churches after speaking to God as a lover speaks to his beloved, you appear like those poorly designed and poorly painted figures on the Way of the Cross, who walk and gesticulate full of pity, against a background of gold. All the thoughts that had been pent up unknown within you, in the caverns of your heart, run out in tumult suddenly like virgins who are mutilated, blind, starving, nude, and sobbing. Ah! Surely at such moments the most horrendous of all martyrdoms would be embraced , and with what rapture.
I learned that hot dog in the coffee pot trick about 3, 4 years ago. If one is ever ready, I'll let you know how it came out.
1 IDIOT SAID GAS STOVES, which are cheaper, are RACIST, Poor people can't afford electric stoves. Illogical. Having cooked on both, I'll take the gas.
Biden has them in every home. Remember Pelosi Ice Cream Freezer with all that high End 'donated' Ice Cream most people can't afford? The WH ONLY USES GAS. His fancy Chef wouldn't cook on electric ones. Nor would any renowned Chef. They use Charcol grills, not propane. Your Hot Water Tank is next.
We have a Jacuzzi Tankless, gas with an electric starter, the fireplace is gas, electric starter.
Right Gail, but may I assume you intentionally misspelled the diaper-wearing puppet's name? It's Bidet, isn't it? Please, correct me, if I'm wrong.
Flashback
Doctors say they would be concerned about 'anyone' with Joe Biden's symptoms at age 78 | Daily Mail Online https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9912027/Doctors-say-concerned-Joe-Bidens-symptoms-age-78.html
It’s Magoo!
I DON'T WANT A KING, 'THE PEOPLE' GOT RID OF CRAZY KING GEORGE THE THIRD 245 YEARS AGO; NOW WE HAVE A SENILE OLD MAN WHO THINKS HE'S OUR KING!
https://gailhonadle.substack.com/p/i-dont-want-a-king-the-people-got/comments
Thank you for the link! Of course, this is a public conversation and the details are for everyone here.
As many "Presidents," he is a sock puppet (the rest of them were part of the Cabal as 33rd-degree Masons, although Masons at lower levels usually have next to no idea what they are doing).
The US government was hijacked, when it got incorporated in a foreign land called Washinton, DC, in 1871, and the line has been straight ever since:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/in-case-you-are-in-doubt
"According to the article, “Ocasio-Cortez argues, without evidence, that gas stoves cause brain damage.”"
She must have spent a hell of a lot of time around gas stoves then!
Just what I said. :)
YES 😄 Must have skipped over it at the time, I have so many Substack articles to get through every day I speed read them. 😄😂
It looks like your sense of humor is similar to mine. :)
FYI, I also speed read, which usually results in a lot of typos in my articles and in my comments, but tend to correct most in the first 24 hours.
Narcissists always project. They always accuse or point to others for what they are or what they are doing. I don't know if she is one, they're usually a lot brighter.
She was obviously groomed for the job and must have been elected by the Dominion machines. :)
Even recalls don't work these days, as it happened in CA.
The Green New Deal is enough to convince me of the lack of functioning brain cells.... and then there's all the rest she's said and done. (I know this and I don't even live anywhere near America) ;)
The entire Climate Change crap is just that: CRAP.
Another psy op...a huge one they have been pushing for years.
So they can get you off the dollar and real currency, by shoving you into CBDC...which will be
connected to your carbon footprint.
You WILL EAT THE BUGS< YOU WILL LIVE IN A POD, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR FOOD DELIVERED AND YOU WILL DO WHAT WE TELL YOU. YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND WE DON"T GIVE A DAMN IF YOU ARE HAPPY.
DIE YOU USELESS EATERS. DIE.
Sincerely, Bill Gates , Klaus Schwab, our very own DOD, and the 1%.
IMHO This ol'mechanic had to bunk with a pal for 2 winter mos ,which resulted in scary [even for someone like myself who's got a dozen m/cycle crashes, roofing&tree falls,3rd deg full foot burns under their belt] bilateral lower leg cramps nitely lasting many minutes,headaches et dizziness...all of which were gone after moving out of that gas fired stove&furnace house. Some of us are the canaries in the coalmine,eh?
Gas stove = CO,NOx, PM2.5,formaldehyde (CH2O or HCHO)[.pdf]
psr.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/health-effects-from-gas-stove-pollution.pdf
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Ivox.com /energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602/gas-stove-cooking-indoor-air-pollution-health-risks
' even in the absence of any food, gas combustion produces
PM2.5 (one of the deadliest air pollutants) — research suggests gas cooking produces about twice as much PM2.5 as electric. It also produces nitrogen oxides (NOx), including nitrogen oxide (NO) and nitrogen dioxide (NO2),carbon monoxide (CO), and formaldehyde (CH2O or HCHO).
All of these pollutants are health risks if not properly managed.
Gas stove cooking routinely generates unsafe levels of indoor air pollution
In 2001, a major study of human activity patterns found that people in the US spend roughly 90 percent of their time indoors. It is safe to say that, in the age of Covid-19, that number is even higher.
...We also do most of our breathing inside. ..Yet here’s the doozy: The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) warns that “studies of human exposure to air pollutants indicate that indoor levels of pollutants may be two to five times — and occasionally more than 100 times — higher than outdoor levels.”
Despite those risks, there are no federal standards or guidelines governing indoor pollution. A patchwork of state and local standards protects consumers, inadequately.
One major source of indoor air pollution, it turns out, is the familiar gas stove, which relies on the direct combustion of natural gas.
Four research and advocacy groups — the Rocky Mountain Institute, Mothers Out Front, Physicians for Social Responsibility, and the Sierra Club — have released a new literature review, assessing two decades worth of peer-reviewed studies. They find that “gas stoves may be exposing tens of millions of people to levels of air pollution in their homes that would be illegal outdoors under national air quality standards.”
We’ll take a quick look at the evidence in the review and then discuss why natural gas companies have fought so hard, for so long, to fend off regulation of gas stoves. Finally, we’ll conclude that electrifying buildings is the only rational direction for forward-looking policy on health and the climate. (I’m nothing if not predictable.)
What cooking with gas is putting in your air
One reason the debate over cooking pollution is so murky and easily confused is that cooking of any kind produces some pollutants that are harmful if not properly handled. Applying heat to food produces particles — tiny particles (PM10, or particulate matter 10 micrometers in diameter), tinier particles (PM2.5, or 2.5 micrometers in diameter), and even tinier “ultrafine” particles (100 nanometers in diameter) — that can exacerbate respiratory problems.
All cooking should be done in a properly ventilated space, and if your nose warns you something is up, you should open a window. Common sense is your guide.
But cooking through direct combustion of fuel produces more pollutants than electric cooking. This is especially true when cooking with wood or charcoal, which is common in the developing world (one reason millions of Indian women suffer respiratory problems), but it’s even true with gas, the “clean” combustion fuel.
For one thing, even in the absence of any food, gas combustion produces PM2.5 (one of the deadliest air pollutants) — research suggests gas cooking produces about twice as much PM2.5 as electric. It also produces nitrogen oxides (NOx), including nitrogen oxide (NO) and nitrogen dioxide (NO2), carbon monoxide (CO), and formaldehyde (CH2O or HCHO). All of these pollutants are health risks if not properly managed.
CO is an invisible, odorless gas that, at high enough concentrations, causes dizziness, headaches, fatigue, disorientation, and eventually death. (In the US, 27 states require CO monitors by law.) Though research has found that the presence of gas stoves in the home is one source of elevated risk of CO poisoning, that generally only happens when something goes wrong: a gas stove with a pilot light, a poorly ventilated space, a burner left on, something like that. Among average people, symptoms start at around 70 parts per million (ppm).
However, research shows that low-level CO exposure can exacerbate cardiovascular illness among people with coronary heart disease and other vulnerable populations. California’s ambient air quality standards cap CO exposure at 20 ppm over a one-hour period or 9 ppm over an eight-hour period.
“In homes without gas stoves, average CO levels are between 0.5 and 5 ppm,” the report says. “Homes with gas stoves that are properly adjusted are often between 5 and 15 ppm, whereas levels near poorly adjusted stoves can be twice as high: 30 ppm or higher.” Poorly adjusted stoves — incompletely burning fuel, inadequately ventilated — may yield ongoing, low-level CO exposure, putting the vulnerable at greater risk...
And then there’s NO2, one of the most familiar and well-studied pollutants. EPA research shows that exposure to NO2 — even small increases in short-term exposure — exacerbates respiratory problems, particularly asthma, and particularly in children.
A 2013 meta-analysis found that children’s risk of wheeze rose 15 percent for every 15 ppb rise in NO2. In this 2006 study, “a 15 ppb increment in NO2 exposure was found to be associated with a significant 50% increased annual risk of lower respiratory symptoms.” More recent EPA research also linked long-term NO2 exposure to “cardiovascular effects, diabetes, poorer birth outcomes, premature mortality, and cancer.”
Finally, research has linked ongoing NO2 exposure to reduced cognitive performance, especially in children. This 2009 study concluded that “early-life exposure to air pollution from indoor gas appliances may be negatively associated with neuropsychological development through the first 4 years of life, particularly among genetically susceptible children.”..
In short, research shows that even low levels of NO2 exposure are dangerous, especially to the vulnerable. Yet the EPA’s own science shows that homes with gas stoves have around 50 percent, ranging up to over 400 percent, higher levels of NO2 than homes with electric stoves. Concentrations can often exceed US outdoor pollution standards.
When David Lu, CEO and co-founder of Clarity, an outdoor air pollution monitoring company, heard about the indoor air pollution research going on at RMI, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, and elsewhere, he got to thinking. “Out of curiosity,” he says, “I set up some [pollution monitors ] in my own home. The data was crazy.”
“During the hour I was cooking and baking” with a gas stove, he says, NO2 concentrations spiked “close to 200 ppb.” Though concentrations died down afterward, they averaged 140 pub to 150 ppb over the course of the hour, well in excess of the US outdoor NO2 standard of 100 ppb for one-hour exposure. (In response to the latest science, Health Canada has lowered that country’s one-hour outdoor standard to 60 ppb. Its indoor one-hour NO2 standard is 90 ppb; the World Health Organization recommends 106 ppb; the EPA, again, has no indoor pollution standards.)
Lu says concentrations were lower when he took steps to increase ventilation. “I’m definitely trying to open the window now, and the doors if possible, when I’m cooking,” he says, but as he acknowledges, not every user of every gas stove can do that every time they cook.
Vulnerable populations are most at risk from gas stove pollution
Children are at particular risk of health problems if exposed to indoor air pollution, and lower-income households are at higher risk of exposure.
As the EPA says, gas emits a whole stew of toxic chemicals, including the aforementioned PM2.5, NO2, CO, formaldehyde, and more. Research has found that all of those chemicals individually have negative impacts on health. Exactly how they combine to affect children’s respiratory systems is complex and not yet fully understood. It can be difficult to isolate individual factors.
Ventilation can help, but it isn’t enough
...Here’s a fun fact: Stoves are the only major indoor gas appliance not required to be vented outdoors. When it comes to gas furnaces, dryers, and water heaters, regulators have acknowledged the danger of indoor pollution and required a vent leading from the appliance outside.
A stove burns about as much gas as a dryer, but alone among major gas appliances, it faces no such requirement. There are no federal venting requirements for gas stoves in new buildings and, in many states, no state requirements either. Even in states or cities that require outdoor venting, there are few measures in place to ensure they are installed and operating correctly, or maintaining safe air quality....
As "Joe" wrote, ALL ways of cooking produce SOME form of pollution. But if gas ovens/stoves were THAT bad; every chef in the world would be dead by the time they turned 40. The wait staff too. (And EVERYONE who uses gas stoves/ovens; but I use the example of chefs because they are usually exposed to longer hours of exposure to gas stoves daily than the average home cook.)
Not only that; but one point about all of this is that no one in their right mind wants ANY gov't ORDERING the people to do or NOT do/use something; whether it's actually good or bad for us. Let US make our OWN; hopefully INFORMED; decisions.
I'm not rejecting all of the info. you shared; I'm simply saying that at the end of the day; it doesn't really matter. Venting may not take care of 100% of the noxious fumes; but it's better than doing nothing; and wise chefs will crack a door or open a window in the kitchen...I've been in the kitchen of at least one restaurant; I've seen them do that. So thank you for all that you shared; you are correct about a lot; maybe all points, but the points are really moot. Cook/heat the ways YOU want to cook and heat or anything else; just do it as safely as possible; and let everyone else do the same.
Very long comment.
You could have your own Substack.
It's hard to motivate myself to read long comments, but I will read long Substacks because I know the author in advance of investing my time.
Let me tell you a secret. All food cooking produces polution. Considering this, I believe the safest way to proceed would be to starve to death. That will reduce the pollution from cooking to precisely ZERO. Let's start with you if you think gas stoves are such a big issue and then, hopefully, there will be some more volunteers from Davos. Doing their part for mother earth. I am pretty sure their trip this weekend on a private jet will make them feel so ashamed they will decide to volunteer themselves for euthanasia through starvation...
I've always said that a guillotine is the best cure for headaches! :)
The way things are going, these eugenicists are going to free the Earth from "human pollution" altogether!
Yes, volunteers are needed! The Davos monsters are flying on their jets only because they are indispensable for the mass extinction. A little forgiveness to them will go a long way!
Not starvation! Their corpses must be liquefied to fertilize the plants, as they have already legalized the practice in at least two states.
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/any-body-out-there-body-removal-services
Nah I think people are never interested in what's coming in a few years - retirement perhaps, given how many Americans play the market-but no, in general not at all. The materialist cognition of ME as an epiphenomenon of matter satisfies one and all into grabbing the most toys to win. That this life is merely a phase like that of the Moon seen from Earth is bad for WEF but even worse for the American Adam and Eve
Yeah, on the whole we (us here excepted of course :-) are a lot like the FEW. That's what I keep thinking. Most of us, latter day Adams and Eves, want what the FEW have. Isn't that what the American Dream is and has always been about? But why can't the many see or at least feel that it has turned into a nightmare?
What Greek poets tried to bake into the Greek character ("the half is better than the whole") the Bible for sure has bred out of us, Europeans and their descendants ("And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver and in gold.").
With Abraham, father of the faithful, for an example the Bible has taught us Westerners to put our trust in matter, in the substance of our bodies, in that which rots (if it still gets a chance) after we have spent our lives on trifles.
Excuse me, but I have a deep-down feeling that we deserve those rotten FEW.
The response is from the dead French Catholic Leon Bloy. He lived his faith. We have no faith. We consume. At bottom, what should you do to avoid being an idiot or a swine? Merely this: you should do something great, you should lay aside all the foolishness of a more of less long existence, you should become resigned to the fact that you will seem ridiculous to a race of janitors and bureaucrats if you are to enter the service of Splendor. Then you will know what it means to be the friend of God. The Friend of God! I am on the verge of tears when I think of it. No longer do you know on what block to lay your head, no longer do you know where you are, where you should go. You would like to tear out your heart, so hotly does it burn, and you cannot look upon a creature without trembling with love. You would like to drag yourself on your knees from church to church, with rotten fish strung from your neck, as said the sublime Angela de Foligno. And when you leave these churches after speaking to God as a lover speaks to his beloved, you appear like those poorly designed and poorly painted figures on the Way of the Cross, who walk and gesticulate full of pity, against a background of gold. All the thoughts that had been pent up unknown within you, in the caverns of your heart, run out in tumult suddenly like virgins who are mutilated, blind, starving, nude, and sobbing. Ah! Surely at such moments the most horrendous of all martyrdoms would be embraced , and with what rapture.
And they are "mining" crypto again! Kind of like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
And then real estate crashing worse than 2008. 2008 ended my attempts to be a successful loan officer.
American Adam and Eve!