I, for one, think euthanasia should be legal but highly regulated. You should be able to end your own life with dignity when faced with a certain excruciating, suffering death sentence from a nasty terminal illness. ALS, for example or Lewy Body dementia or any number of pernicious cancers.
These eugenicists are terribly ineffective if their goal is to depopulate the planet. After WWII, the world's population was ~1.5 billion, already too many humans, and now it's nearly 8 billion and climbing. I don't think we have too much to fear from these spooky eugenicists considering their track record.
Thanks Ray, I wasn’t aware that Aldous was a eugenicist.. I knew his brother Julian was a big player in the movement though. I read Brave New World in my mid twenties. I kind of felt the author was on the side of humanity. Perhaps I need to go back and revisit that book.
Sorry to hear that... Please, notice that this is the time for getting prepared. Probably from mid-December, everything will start to collapse faster than one could spell Mississippi...
I think you missed some of the gist. People do not get euthanised. Huxley's world had cloned beings. Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon undergo the Bokanovsky Process, which involves shocking an egg so that it divides to form up to ninety-six identical embryos, which then develop into ninety-six identical human beings. The Alpha and Beta embryos never undergo this dividing process, which can weaken the embryos. In Chapter 3 of Aldous Huxley's novel Brave New World, Mustapha Mond explains that aging has been eliminated: “ ‘All the physiological stigmata of old age have been abolished. And along with them, of course … Along with them all the old man's mental peculiarities. Characters remain constant throughout a whole lifetime.’ ” (Chapter 3). The World State does not allow people to look their age. “ ‘That's because we don't allow them to be like that. We preserve them from diseases. We keep their internal secretions artificially balanced at a youthful equilibrium. We don't permit their magnesium-calcium ratio to fall below what it was at thirty. We give them a transfusion of young blood. We keep their metabolism permanently stimulated.’ ” (Chapter 7). With regards to the issue of old age and dying, the novel presents an alternative way of handling these often-feared aspects of life. Youthfulness is provided to everyone, regardless of age. When Lenina encounters an old man on the New Mexican Indian Reservation, her eyes become “wide with horror and amazement” (Huxley 95). She thinks there is something wrong with him until Bernard explains that it is because she is used to her society where no one ages past thirty: “We preserve them from diseases. We keep their internal secretions artificially balanced at a youthful equilibrium. […] We keep their metabolism permanently stimulated” (Huxley 95). He adds that people usually do not live beyond sixty, so they never have the chance to age as much as this old man anyway.
All I remember that is relevant is the hospital scene in which the fat lady get euthanized. The text explains the details about turning 60 and not to want to be a burden on "society." That was kinda hard to miss.
I do not recall that scene. I think though based on citations above Euthanasia not integral. Bokanovsky Process is more to the point in the 1930's. John Savage was human.
Thank you for caring, but the details don't affect the point in the article.
It doesn't matter who and how got euthanized in the book; both the 30 and the 60 make sense for technocrats for euthanasia. In Canada, "doctors" are now openly recommending it to "patients," and the other day they managed to put a 62-year-old (the age is approximately accurate) to sleep, because he had a hearing loss! Considering how easy to use euthanasia against someone's will or even knowledge, I bet it will become fashionably in no time...
(I think, it may have been John's mother (Lenina?) from the reservation who was euthanized in the book, but I read it like 30-32 years ago, so forgive me for the inaccuracies.) :)
Isn't it curious a new & improved remake has never been proposed or taken up for this movie? So many other greats have been remade but not this movie. This movie could be made excellent with today's CGI technology.
I met the author as he was a neighbor of my high school best friend in suburban Sacramento. Lots of good SF before the 80's. More or less when my reading interests shifted to mainstream lit and philosophy.
Here is for continuity:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/in-case-you-are-in-doubt
Book is free at https://archive.org/details/onlyapparentlyre00will
Art work, well you have to dig. He died in 2005. He did quite a bit of painting. Artsy has his work, elsewhere.
I, for one, think euthanasia should be legal but highly regulated. You should be able to end your own life with dignity when faced with a certain excruciating, suffering death sentence from a nasty terminal illness. ALS, for example or Lewy Body dementia or any number of pernicious cancers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJk-Qj-k7dY
You gave me the idea for another post!
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/live-or-die-without-pain
These eugenicists are terribly ineffective if their goal is to depopulate the planet. After WWII, the world's population was ~1.5 billion, already too many humans, and now it's nearly 8 billion and climbing. I don't think we have too much to fear from these spooky eugenicists considering their track record.
You have given me an idea of my next post!
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/people-are-not-dying-fast-enough
What do Greta Thunberg and Alex Jones have in common?
Thanks Ray, I wasn’t aware that Aldous was a eugenicist.. I knew his brother Julian was a big player in the movement though. I read Brave New World in my mid twenties. I kind of felt the author was on the side of humanity. Perhaps I need to go back and revisit that book.
My impression is that he wished for humanity to overcome its own weaknesses, but somehow he knew that would not happen...
https://boingboing.net/2009/02/18/the-most-brilliant-s.html
The .pdf doc is "not available."
A series of short movies released in 2019 didn't have the death at 60 but at 40. And if you ran they killed your kid.
I guess, it looks like there is an age limit, no matter where we look. :)
People can take their picks!
I'm keen to make it 40. For the perpetrators. For the rest of us just our natural age limits. As evolution has decided on.
I am just sick to my stomach today. The entire world is almost at the Great Reset.
Sorry to hear that... Please, notice that this is the time for getting prepared. Probably from mid-December, everything will start to collapse faster than one could spell Mississippi...
Agree. Cannot get myself up and out to buy some more canned food. What the hell is wrong with me lately?
Why mid December?
Too many variables; my mind computes it that way.
I hope, I'm wrong and those days will never come.
Some people think the crisis will start to prevent the elections in November.
I think you missed some of the gist. People do not get euthanised. Huxley's world had cloned beings. Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon undergo the Bokanovsky Process, which involves shocking an egg so that it divides to form up to ninety-six identical embryos, which then develop into ninety-six identical human beings. The Alpha and Beta embryos never undergo this dividing process, which can weaken the embryos. In Chapter 3 of Aldous Huxley's novel Brave New World, Mustapha Mond explains that aging has been eliminated: “ ‘All the physiological stigmata of old age have been abolished. And along with them, of course … Along with them all the old man's mental peculiarities. Characters remain constant throughout a whole lifetime.’ ” (Chapter 3). The World State does not allow people to look their age. “ ‘That's because we don't allow them to be like that. We preserve them from diseases. We keep their internal secretions artificially balanced at a youthful equilibrium. We don't permit their magnesium-calcium ratio to fall below what it was at thirty. We give them a transfusion of young blood. We keep their metabolism permanently stimulated.’ ” (Chapter 7). With regards to the issue of old age and dying, the novel presents an alternative way of handling these often-feared aspects of life. Youthfulness is provided to everyone, regardless of age. When Lenina encounters an old man on the New Mexican Indian Reservation, her eyes become “wide with horror and amazement” (Huxley 95). She thinks there is something wrong with him until Bernard explains that it is because she is used to her society where no one ages past thirty: “We preserve them from diseases. We keep their internal secretions artificially balanced at a youthful equilibrium. […] We keep their metabolism permanently stimulated” (Huxley 95). He adds that people usually do not live beyond sixty, so they never have the chance to age as much as this old man anyway.
All I remember that is relevant is the hospital scene in which the fat lady get euthanized. The text explains the details about turning 60 and not to want to be a burden on "society." That was kinda hard to miss.
I do not recall that scene. I think though based on citations above Euthanasia not integral. Bokanovsky Process is more to the point in the 1930's. John Savage was human.
Thank you for caring, but the details don't affect the point in the article.
It doesn't matter who and how got euthanized in the book; both the 30 and the 60 make sense for technocrats for euthanasia. In Canada, "doctors" are now openly recommending it to "patients," and the other day they managed to put a 62-year-old (the age is approximately accurate) to sleep, because he had a hearing loss! Considering how easy to use euthanasia against someone's will or even knowledge, I bet it will become fashionably in no time...
(I think, it may have been John's mother (Lenina?) from the reservation who was euthanized in the book, but I read it like 30-32 years ago, so forgive me for the inaccuracies.) :)
I read it last maybe at 16. I simply think cloning is more interesting. Logan's Run was no one living over 30.
Yes, cloning and the caste system!
Logan's Run it is! It's a decent movie, too.
Isn't it curious a new & improved remake has never been proposed or taken up for this movie? So many other greats have been remade but not this movie. This movie could be made excellent with today's CGI technology.
I met the author as he was a neighbor of my high school best friend in suburban Sacramento. Lots of good SF before the 80's. More or less when my reading interests shifted to mainstream lit and philosophy.
Good one Ray!
Wow, past my "sell by" date!
Of course, most of you knew that.
Yep, they want to kill me, most of you too.
Even the young blonde virgins, male and female.
They can make more of those too, heck, I'd bet those "pens" are full already.
My wife noticed that most famous actors/actresses have blue eyes. Not sure if that's real, but it's there.
When they asked representatives of all races, the females deemed the most attrative were the white blonds! :)