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suzanna's avatar

Ray,

Darn it I want to support you but I have run out of $, as anyone worth reading

is needing support. My cousins wife told me about your some 6mos. ago,

and I am a free rider ever since.

Regards,

Suzanna

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Dear Suzanna,

Your participation is the most valuable form of contribution. In fact, most people don't have the money and sites like mine are slowly, but gradually and inevitably are being de-funded or, after reaching about 10k subscribers, are intimidated, mirrored, or sued into bankruptcy. A few of the largest ones may have been offered a clandestine bribe, an unofficial buyout. :)

I knew that, when I started early May, but look what we have here: open discussions and access to information that would be otherwise hard to find. Most of all, readers here are forming friendships and are becoming part of a rare community; they are aware that being afraid will only turn them into silent victims and probably a lot sooner than the ones who freely speak their mind.

As Thomas Jefferson observed, life is not worth living, if you cannot even speak freely.

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suzanna's avatar

your site, etc.

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Stegiel's avatar

The money masters most likely came from Holland. Dutch money is said to have financed Cromwell. No Stuart would surrender control of money so Charles had to go. But Cromwell also did not surrender control of money. Nor did his son. Nor did Charles II. The man William of Orange (also secretly backed by the Pope to counter the Sun King of France, Louis XIV) was willing to please the mercantile class of England ,(the Whigs) and charter the Bank of England. I observe that the Medici had limited control of finance. The Fuggers of Austria had more but not a central bank. This banking family replaced the Medici family, who influenced all of Europe during the Renaissance. The Fuggers took over many of the Medicis' assets and their political power and influence. They were closely affiliated with the House of Habsburg whose rise to world power they financed. Unlike the citizenry of their hometown and most other trading patricians of German free imperial cities, such as the Tuchers, they never converted to Lutheranism, as presented in the Augsburg Confession, but rather remained with the Roman Catholic Church and thus close to the Habsburg emperors.[1]

Jakob Fugger "the Rich" was elevated to the nobility of the Holy Roman Empire in May 1511 and assumed the title Imperial Count of Kirchberg and Weissenhorn in 1514. Today, he is considered to be one of the wealthiest people ever to have lived, with an GDP-adjusted net worth of over $400 billion, and approximately 2% of the entire GDP of Europe at the time. While the company was dissolved in 1657, the Fuggers remained wealthy landowners and ruled the County of Kirchberg and Weissenhorn. The Babenhausen branch became Princes of the Holy Roman Empire in 1803, the Glött branch princes in the Kingdom of Bavaria in 1914.

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Richard Seager's avatar

I've often wondered if the Rothschilds were a family or a trademark. When the sons all went off to London, Paris, Vienna & so on, where they siblings or fellows?

And what is their relationship to the Medicis?

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Stegiel's avatar

No relationship to prior banking dynasties. They are a family that got wealth from the Napoleonic Wars. There is however a Jewish connection to Rothschild's. Their money was made originally from East European business in furs. Jewish merchants.

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Richard Seager's avatar

I have never studied it. But it surprises me that the Medicis fell away more or less at the same time that the Rothschilds rose. There's a difference in religion in the two but it would seem to me that this is only relevant for those below.

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Stegiel's avatar

No the Fuggers replaced Medici and Rothschild's came late 18th century. https://financhill.com/blog/investing/how-did-the-rothschilds-make-their-money

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Richard Seager's avatar

An interesting mess of mega rich families. That link of yours downplays the current Rothschild's fortunes me thinks.

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Stegiel's avatar

Forbes-Rothschild Family Net Worth is estimated to be over $710 Billion Dollars. Considered one of the wealthiest business groups, Rothschild family is infamous for their exuberant wealth since early 20th century. The Rothschild Family net worth includes investments in major tech companies across the globe, thousands of real estate properties, moneys in government bonds and so on. The Rothschild family was renowned for its art collecting, for its palaces, as well as for its philanthropy. By the end of the century, the Rothschild family owned, or had built, at the lowest estimates, over 41 palaces, of a scale and luxury perhaps unparalleled even by the richest royal families.

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Ray...You stated, "Apparently, there are some extremely powerful entities that, by now, control the money flow all over the world and, consequently, all governments. It is still a mystery who those people are."

It's not really a mystery, as it's right under our noses, within the god-complex, psychopathic priestly class's military strategy guide, called the Bible ("script"ures). In Deut. 23:20, it states to only charge usury (interest) to the strangers, but not their brethren, so they may POSSESS the land wherever they go.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+23%3A20&version=KJV

In Gen. 41, Joseph allegedly interprets the Pharaoh's dream of a coming famine, in 7 years, (read coming Climate Change). He dupes the Pharaoh and is made 2nd in command to him, and so now has infiltrated. He collects up all the food in Egypt for the next 7 years and brings it into the city. During that time, the Pharaoh gives him a wife, Asenath, who bears Ephraim, and then in Gen. 45:8, Joseph states he's made father to the Pharaoh, so Ephraim was of Pharaoh's and Joseph's seed. Fast forward to Gen. 47, where it goes into more detail about how his brethren have been given the best land in Goshen in the land of Rameses, and how the starving Egyptians must beg for sustenance. It also shows the money has been collected up (hence failed), and that the Egyptians are now having to give up their livestock in exchange for bread, and their land, in exchange for seed to grow on the now confiscated govt.-controlled land. (Btw, the seeds were given in the 2nd year of the supposed 7-year famine). All the while, the priestly "elite" class (Levites) are the parasites, living high on the hog. Also, take note, that they move the Egyptians into the city (like their current plan of Agenda 2030) and that in Gen. 47:9, Jacob admits he's evil.

Now, let's look at the back of the dollar bill. We have the pyramid with the all-seeing eye, which represents that the Pharaoh Sees aka Pharisees. Then we also have the 6-pointed star of Jacob, with 13 stars within. Those 13 stars are the 12 tribes of Israel, plus Ephraim. And, just as the pyramid has nothing to do with America, neither do those 13 stars mean 13 colonies. Now, let's look at Exodus 1, when the Israelites were supposed to be slaves.

In Exodus 1, the alleged slaves were building the Treasure cities, Pithom and Rameses. I'm left with several questions. First, what is a "treasure city?" Second, why is Rameses mentioned 5 times in the Bible, but only misspelled once in this chapter, as Raamses? One must look further into their actual words to understand.

What I'm about to show is called cryptography, which is defined as writing in code in the midst of adversaries. Treasure = User Rate, and the Egyptians had to give up a fifth part (20%) of their crop to the Pharaoh, as a user rate of their govt-controlled land. Therefore, the "treasure cities" are banks to store something valuable. The letter "T" represents a Treaty between at least 2 parties, and in this case between the priestly Levite class and the Pharaoh, since they both were taken care of by the slaves. Using the correct spelling, let's now decipher the words Pithom and Rameses = "T" Ephraim and Moses. Now, what are the chances of those two names hidden within the Treasure cities' names? Further, Moses was a Levite, so the Treaty was made between the Pharaoh (Ephraim) and the priestly Levite class. Today, we see the priestly rabbinical class surround many of our world leaders when they are signing something. Lastly, the words Ephraim and Moses also conceals the word, Pharisees. Seriously, one can't believe this all is just a coincidence.

Lastly, Ra is the Egyptian god, and El was the Canaanite god, where Jacob and his tribes came from when moving to Egypt. Read this as a statement: Is Ra El. Further, Federal = Fed Ra El. Also, when one says Rockefeller or Rothschild, they're really sounding out the Ra sound in the beginning, not Ro. Oh, and what we see on our dollar, "In God We Trust," G-O-D is really an acronym for Gold, Oil, Drugs and Trust, from a financial sense, means confidence in the future payment for goods or services supplied; credit....just like what the Egyptians would owe once they grew their seeds or what we owe when we borrow their money.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

As far as I can see, the money changers are only the beasts the Cabal rides on. In history, usury took down governments and enslaved whole populations, and the same is happening now at a global scale. The accumulation of capital caused the West to out-develop all other countries and preside over them. These days, globalist extra-governmental entities (the UN, the WHO, the WEF etc.) and private institutions (the Fed, the IRS, the CDC etc.) dictate.

You can fight specific groups of people, but you cannot fight human nature; no matter how many times the world would start of, it would end in the same whimper it is approaching now...

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Yes, the Cabal (think Kabbalah/Cabbalah and authors of the Bible) are the Pharisees aka priestly class Levite rulers over the money changers/collectors and their tribal brethren. All their tribes must pay a "trib"ute to this Levite priestly class, as well. This is shown in Numbers 31, as one example, where the tribal brethren went about murdering an entire town, except the 32,000 virgin female children. They then kept all the resource booty, along with the virgin female children, and split the spoil between the brethren, including the virgins (that's called child trafficking/kidnapping). The tribes then gave a tribute to the priestly Levite class, who also got their cut of the children. (Notice the words, Evil and Elite, within the word Levite.)

In Gen. 49:5-7, Simeon (= Monies) and Levi (means Levy) are described as instruments of cruelty and will murder anyone who comes into their secrets, aka tries to destroy their levying (usury/tribute) of monies, like Pres. JFK tried to do when issuing US silver backed currency, not attached to their Central Bank tribute scheme. Levy means, to impose a tax or fine to collect monies due, or to confiscate property (if you can't repay them). One also has to consider that they give gold's location in Gen. 2, before Eve is created.

Lastly, listen to this rabbi's (priestly class) video. He does appear to speak some truth, although a psychopath can't lie without including some truth, but take particular note of when he brings up Deut. 20. He's basically saying that we must all trust in God b/c He will protect us. That gives the impression of hopefulness to the dupes, and I do believe in a Higher Power, just not the one they speak on behalf of, but It's what he doesn't say that's important. As this Deut. chapter goes on, it begins with a "priest" (called "cohen" in the video) talking to the tribal brethren that are going up against their "enemies," meaning everyone else but the tribes. If a city of their "enemies," makes peace with them, then those inhabitants will serve them and be their "tributaries," meaning they will be useful slaves for paying tribute to them, but if they don't want peace or to serve them, then they will murder all of them except the women and children, and then keep the females and all the booty/resources of that town. It's purely psychopathic! Traits of a psychopath are a god-complex, entitlement, pathological lying, superficially charming, murderous, non-empathetic, etc.

https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5/Session-128-Rabbi-Yitzchok-Dovid-Smith-Odysee-final:1

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+20&version=KJV

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Wildrhody's avatar

Oh, and fwi, it's not a "rabbit" hole, it's a "rabbi" "T" hole.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

What does the T stand for? :)

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Wildrhody's avatar

LOL! The Rabbi "T"reasure hole:)

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Richard Seager's avatar

Snopes tells me that's false.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

There have been many secret organizations and their lower ranks have always been used as fronts, scapegoats, and patsies. Their highest ranks, however, seem to cooperate in the global takeover.

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Criminals

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

It's okay; that' just the way the world works. The real question is: Who are they?

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Proton Magic's avatar

I'm always skeptical of lists of Global criminals but lots of effort has been put into these with names and details that fit with alot of real-life things:

https://spoonfedtruth.ucoz.com/BLOODLINES_OF_THE_ILLUMINATI_by_Fritz_Springmeier.pdf

And this one with photos. You can toggle the different views at the top

https://worldcrimesyndicate.blogspot.com/?view=classic

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Thank you Proton for the links; i looked at the one with photos.

It started out with a very obvious rogues' gallery of tormented faces, then settled into debonair types with immaculate grooming and tailoring, sometimes against a Renaissance background. A lot of nobility and huge wealth. These people are not unexpectedly not household names, occasionally I might have heard of a bank or business interest of theirs.

I don't know if the list is of the Club, but these characters would meet the imagined requirements.

I was thrown a bit by the implication that the vintners bottle blood and adrenochrome, and the mention of witches and child mutilation and cannibalism.

And owning motorbike gangs - is that for assassins or just a collector's hobby.

Edit: I didn't read it all so can't comment on the later entries.

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Proton Magic's avatar

Thanks I personally have no way to vett the veracity of this info, but with what has come out in the last few years I would not put anything past persons of royalty, top banking, politicians, celebs, and those of great wealth etc.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Well, there's got to be someone pulling the strings of all these so very obvious puppets.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

My impression is that they big things are on autopilot and the toadies have no other choice but fulfill their functions. No specific instructions required.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Back in the day the nobility would have enjoyed a lot of forelock tugging. They probably are missing this by hiding in the shadows. Might their paradise of their future not include their being toadied over.

Can't see why it would be set up for them to be hiding in bunkers nor getting cabin fever on a tinsy little island.

That's why IMO this BBB doesn't help with the Idea of these "nobles" being tptb as they would want more obeisance than just acknowledgment from their little big Club.

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Those islands are like luxurious resorts and self-contained, assuming that permanent energy sources are there, too. The monsters probably have all the entertainment they can manage to maintain, some of them of the kind ordinary humans cannot even imagine. The result for them is boredom and the usual overstimulation that results in excessive practices first and, eventually, depression. Consequently, they need to be constantly drugged for this reason. Well, that's the kind of live they have been living even when they were still not on their islands... On the islands, they can entertain themselves with satellite images of the incoming famine and the way people kill each other for a bowl of soup, while coordinating further genocidal moves against humanity.

To me, the mystery resides in the fact that they always seem to have enough toadies who even imagine they have true power and they will be spared, while the only power they possess is to harm people and they are only spared as long as they are fulfilling their functions.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Same here; I'm not sure how much of the stuff is true, but some of it certainly is.

Moreover, even if the list contains the very people performing the act, what can people do about it?

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Unified non-compliance (in the US use Notices and Affidavits David Jose style), boycotts, take back countries by natural law, coups, states withdraw from unions, make it so the "helpers" gets scared if they see the people are rising and make them turncoat to the people side.....all this not so easy as "they" would probably sacrifice their low-mid minions and go back into hiding just like WWII. But I'm not an expert in this part of the game.

Ie:

https://rumble.com/v1mvt67-remedies-received-by-people-using-notices-and-affidavits-the-dave-jose-meth.html

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Until recently, people seem to have been 50-50 divided, but the misled ones have always been afraid, so they are unlikely to become mobs.

Govts can always call any job "critical" that can prevent strikes. Of course, British railway workers found a solution to that several years ago: "Work-to-the-rule" is a form of strike during which they keep ALL regulations, which ensures that everything stops working. :)

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dar's avatar

“If you want to know who rules over you, look at whom you are not allowed to criticize.”

― George Orwell

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Any suggestions, readers? :)

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Wildrhody's avatar

Did you see my first lengthy comment?

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Just posted my reply.

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Elsa's avatar

Agreed. It didn't start yesterday. And the rabbit hole goes deep. The deeper we go, the more we learn that the rabbit hole, rat hole goes way deeper. And what's on the surface isn't good stuff either. I just watched a video on mass shootings - SUPPOSED mass shootings. https://jermwarfare.com/conversations/james-fetzer-mass-shootings

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I couldn't help writing about "mass shootings," either, but it's been so many articles that I'm now losing touch. :)

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/mass-shootings

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/publish/post/57084313

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/publish/post/57255131

Patsies like the one at the Boston Marathon are not available much anymore, unless the target is a total moron. :)

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For the bottom 2 links, it says: "You're logged in as elsa@el...ium.com, but this page is private. Try logging in with a different email, or letting the author know they've linked to a private page.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Just noticed the same problem on another site. The only way to access the posts seems to be by hunting down the titles on the site. The links might or might not work...

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Elsa's avatar

In your Substack, you have all the correct links to your published posts. You seem to have kept the unpublished links, instead of the published link (except for the first link you gave). Good to know for future reference.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Not sure how that works. I usually insert a link to a previous article by scrolling through my articles in my Dashboard and copying the link into the new one. This has been working until now, but possibly, I should start using my real page for the links. (It's extremely difficult to find one among over 600 articles.)

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Elsa's avatar

My thing: have a doc file where I put the titles and links as I publish.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Which link is a problem?

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Elsa's avatar

#2 and #3 - they are private, so I can't read them. All fine. We're each entitled to that.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Just noticed the same problem on another site. The only way to access the posts seems to be by hunting down the titles on the site. The links might or might not work...

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

These are all my posts and all my posts are fully public.

What the heck is going on?

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Elsa's avatar

Ray, I believe I know what's going on. Anyway this is what seems likely:

These are the pre-publication links:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/publish/post/57084313

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/publish/post/57255131

The other link - the one that worked for me - is the link to the published article:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/mass-shootings

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Richard Seager's avatar

I confirm that the links are an issue.

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Elsa's avatar

I believe that is what is known as a rhetorical question.

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