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trisvonbis's avatar

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"Liberty" is a sneaky word, meaning in fact a temporary favour granted by the owner to his slave, favour which can be retracted at any point in the future time by its grantor.

Only Freedom is complete, inalienable and permanent. Many confuse these two terms and fall into vicious traps.

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Joe Kraimer's avatar

One guiding principle to organizing society is Subsidiarity described by St. Thomas Aquinas. A couple of points are: 1) Rights, duties and authority 'start' with the smallest society, namely the family (father, mother & children) and governed by the father, and then each successive larger society is self-ruling, from extended family, then village, city, state, and finally nation. 2) Larger societies do not interfere into the 'internal affairs' of smaller societies. 3) The governor of each society rules like a father, namely out of love for those under his charge, willing to sacrifice in order to protect his family, or town, city, state, and kingdom. Today, #3 point seems antiquated, but it was very real and resulted in centuries of stability and flourishing.

The U.S. Founding Fathers wrote the Tenth Amendment to build on points #1 and #2.

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Carolyn's avatar

True

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Patrick Jordan's avatar

Without definitions of the words the the discussion is useless.

Govern Mente is Latin for To Steer The Mind.

Mind Control.

Reframed then, the question is:

what kind of MIND CONTROL would you prefer?

Where my answer would be: get the hell out of here.

One of the images has the word: Liberty in it.

That is an often-repeated word in the Protocols:

Protocol 1:25

25. Far back in ancient times we were the first to cry among the masses of the people the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," words many times repeated since these days by stupid poll-parrots who, from all sides around, flew down upon these baits and with them carried away the well-being of the world, true freedom of the individual, formerly so well guarded against the pressure of the mob. The would-be wise men of the GOYIM, the intellectuals, could not make anything out of the uttered words in their abstractedness; did not see that in nature there is no equality, cannot be freedom: that Nature herself has established inequality of minds, of characters, and capacities, just as immutably as she has established subordination to her laws: never stopped to think that the mob is a blind thing, that upstarts elected from among it to bear rule are, in regard to the political, the same blind men as the mob itself, that the adept, though he be a fool, can yet rule, whereas the non-adept, even if he were a genius, understands nothing in the political - to all those things the GOYIM paid no regard; yet all the time it was based upon these things that dynastic rule rested: the father passed on to the son a knowledge of the course of political affairs in such wise that none should know it but members of the dynasty and none could betray it to the governed. As time went on, the meaning of the dynastic transference of the true position of affairs in the political was lost, and this aided the success of our cause.

26. In all corners of the earth the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," brought to our ranks, thanks to our blind agents, whole legions who bore our banners with enthusiasm. And all the time these words were canker-worms at work boring into the well-being of the GOYIM, putting an end everywhere to peace, quiet, solidarity and destroying all the foundations of the GOY States. As you will see later, this helped us to our triumph: it gave us the possibility, among other things, of getting into our hands the master card - the destruction of the privileges, or in other words of the very existence of the aristocracy of the GOYIM, that class which was the only defense peoples and countries had against us. On the ruins of the natural and genealogical aristocracy of the GOYIM we have set up the aristocracy of our educated class headed by the aristocracy of money. The qualifications for this aristocracy we have established in wealth, which is dependent upon us, and in knowledge, for which our learned elders provide the motive force.

27. Our triumph has been rendered easier by the fact that in our relations with the men, whom we wanted, we have always worked upon the most sensitive chords of the human mind, upon the cash account, upon the cupidity, upon the insatiability for material needs of man; and each one of these human weaknesses, taken alone, is sufficient to paralyze initiative, for it hands over the will of men to the disposition of him who has bought their activities.

28. The abstraction of freedom has enabled us to persuade the mob in all countries that their government is nothing but the steward of the people who are the owners of the country, and that the steward may be replaced like a worn-out glove.

29. It is this possibility of replacing the representatives of the people which has placed at our disposal, and, as it were, given us the power of appointment.

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Entrapping Trigger Words. Liberty means: a crew member of a ship is allowed to leave the ship when it is at port to do their business but is REQUIRED to be back on ship before it sets sail.

That is still enslavement.

Autonomy is the word that eveyone is looking for. But then that obviates the nonsense of Representative Republics which the Elders clearly indicated they INVENTED FOR PROXY CONTROL of those who abdicated their autonomy.

It's all a scam. There has never been Free Trade in the United States because Article 1 sayd that Congress shall regulate trade. There has never been Anarchy because the human animal is so retarded that the Elders come in and TAKE THEM OVER.

If the HIVE didn't SWARM anyone who acted autonomously so that each individual was Judge, Jury and X-Eye-Que Shun Ear then things would find a natural balance on their own. Nature has nothing to do with the ridiculous notion of Natural Law.

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kerrylyn's avatar

"Govern Mente is Latin for To Steer The Mind." The suffix "-ment" transforms a verb into a noun. Nothing to do with Latin mens/mentis.

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Tony Ryan's avatar

A range of opinions is fine, but discussion is futile if definitions of continuity do not apply.

The term "democratic elections" is an oxymoron.

If you elect or appoint somebody else to determine your future for you this is the opposite of democracy. Elections vary only in the degree of corruption thus precipitated, and how long it takes for this to degenerate into tyranny, as every delusional American or Candadian has learned (or still not yet learned). The US was corrupt within 40 years. Canada lasted until WWII. Australia has always been corrupt, but went the whole hog in 1975. UK for 2000 years but nose-dived in 1815.

Thomas Paine and Abraham Lincoln were conjoined on the definition of democracy. This is government by the people; not by elected surrogates or appointees. Democracy does not involve votes, elections, parliaments/congresses, party policies or majorities. These are the theatre stage devices to delude The People they are in control.

It is democracy when every citizen contributes his informed opinion towards local, regional, or national policy. Government then is the public service administration that installs and implements the policy.

I am of the opinion that people today have brains so toxiified, and minds so propagandised, they cannot even grasp that they are controlled, and so it will be necessary to install democracy by military means; then, by dint of profound media, recreate society until all citizens are healthy and well-informed. Then launch referenda as they see fit.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Out of my 23 years of college-teaching experience, only about three out of ten students were able to compile something meaningful, and I had to stop giving reading comprehension quizzes, because I couldn't have been able to give an A to anyone... By about 2004, the average American's attention span sank to 8 seconds from 15 in 1991. These figures might also provide a clue to current events or, for that matter, to the course of history itself.

As an anomaly, I noticed that some smart people ignore the problem, because they believe they cannot do anything.

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Fran's avatar

Imagine if God wrote the 10 Commandments with all these articles and sections to it. Or even went into great detail about the 7 Deadly Sins. Government if far too bloated, filled with liars, thieves, and murderers. These bloodsuckers wouldn't have a "job" if it wasn't for you and me. I want most of them GONE and honest people in their place, cut positions by about 75%. Indict these mofos and put them in prison, take their assets. Put them all on an island and let them figure out how to get by, just like 99% of us have to each and every day. Enough is enough! I have absolutely NO sympathy, for any of them!

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Oops! They are running the prison racket, too. :)

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alexxxxxxxx's avatar

we have been manipulated since adam was a boy... by priests rulers ourselves, etc etc most recently by t v radio media etc and most of us never noticed suspected etc now they can and are controlling us electronically ... graphene antenna 5-6-g transmission signal can make you feel"" happy owning nothing"" or any emotional mental state they dial up and they can do it individually if they have your dna code ... check mate game over they won the world but lost thier souls ,,, they have just made the worst deal bargan in the entire history of the known universe , ie they sold their imortal soul and the possibility of a place in a eternal heavenly mansion , all they get is a temporary earthly kingdom ,,, ie sold eternal for temporal ... we should genuinally feel sorry for them ,,, and pray for their redemption from evil , grant it dear God of goodness and truth

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alexxxxxxxx's avatar

i read,,, we are just visitors here on earth ie transendant spiritual beings " from heaven our true eternal home ] haveing a physical mental emotional experience

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alexxxxxxxx's avatar

any benevolent form/style etc government ... if we could /would allow our conscience be our guide... or one universal principle "treat others like you would them to treat you " of course the " spaner in the works are the demon possesed psychopaths ... therefore my /our default position is to do my best to manifest the virtues while on earth ,,, which remains the same since Adam was a boy.... hence , im prepairing for my spiritual journey home by the graceous loveing wisdom of our . heavenly Father the God of goodness and love ... " bible quote God is Love and love is God " i don t think i need more

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mary-lou's avatar

just take away the managers (i.e. unelected heads of departments) already. and offer minimum wages only, for "ruling" or "governance" should not be a cushy job prospect but representational and a calling. well, a girl can dream, no...?!

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Wilma's avatar

There is a theory of management (an awful one) that says that if an employee fails to learn his job, he should become a manager so that he will not have to do any work! Surround him with smart, talented people who will do the work and make him look good. Then he can take credit for their work, and by doing so, continue to be promoted on up the chain. The smart, talented people who do the work will be too stupid to notice. It's a revolting DEI theory.

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mary-lou's avatar

LOL very apt! I've long suspected managers and administrators to be misplaced post room gofers, it seems this theory explains it!

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Wilma's avatar

Of course, the incompetent future manager will be a nauseating suck up, and his mentor/promoter will be a vain, selfish, greedy, self-centered jerk. In other words, they are a matching set!

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mary-lou's avatar

LOL

next step: to expose their incompetence.

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Wilma's avatar

Time will do that. Eventually, they will cause some serious problem and be asked to move on.

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:Carl-david:'s avatar

At best, the job of any "govt" is janitorial. But they cannot sit with that and always want to 'govern' as their instincts to promote the interests of their family and friends leads to control of everyone else.

Anarchy is the traditional, time honoured, successful societal construction.

Whenever the experimental societies collapse. which is when - not if, everyone reverts to anarchy because, anarchy works. The great majority of the history of people is within anarchic societal groups. There are constant revivals of feudal, monarchial, democratic or fascist corporate styles, etc., but these always collapse because they are out of balance.

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Crixcyon's avatar

No government, if you please. Most government has become a gang of deviant thugs who are imbeciles at heart and who couldn't foster a decent thought outside of their centralized control entities. It's a circus of feeble minded idiots pretending to be powerful and all knowing. Unfortunately, it is getting millions of people dead.

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John Botica's avatar

I don’t know what it’s like in the States, but down here in Australia, it’s simply hilarious watching those who’re out there vehemently protesting for Palestine, now being openly branded as “anti-semitic,” by the very same tyrannical monster they helped usher in through three and a half full years of blindly fanatical unwavering compliance.

I’d like to ask them— So how’s it feel to be on the ‘wrong side’ of this thing you all so enthusiastically and obediently helped to create, huh?

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Same clown theater here. I would feel sorry for the morons, were they not considering themselves superior. :)

Organized demonstrations are rarely initiated by real opposition. "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrates what happens to such grassroots.

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Jeannettecally Modified's avatar

I JUST WANT TO BE LEFT THE FUCK ALONE!

I'm sure there is a word for that .......

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

You just said it. :)

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Mike's avatar

Honestly Ray. Sometimes it so hard to maintain the discipline of positive thinking and heart energy projection in the face of your negativity. That being said, l view your comments as staking out the boundaries of our dilemma, a limit case with a touch of brilliant insight. And you may be right. Most may not be around much longer. Especially those with their heads up their ass (the not small majority). But such is reality and I accept the challenge. Best to you.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

My impression more and more is that I am extremely optimistic compared to what's going on.

I am not posing to be right, but I certainly care for facts as far as such a thing is possible to perceive, and my thinking patterns might be helpful in personal decisions for my readers.

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Mike's avatar

Truth is difficult to find given our lie filled existence. I don’t mean to discourage your approach or communication of your conclusions. The curious among us will not shun useful information, compare notes, assess what is truth, and adjust our life models according.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Even human cognition is unsalvageably fragmented, which alone makes complete reporting impossible. Certain truths might be self-evident, but only as long as one accepts the fundamental principle upon which they are based.

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Mike's avatar

Truth.

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Igz Navi's avatar

One of the option is left out . Theocracy .

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Actually, I have written quite a bit about the fact that no civilization can survive with out an underlying ideology that convinces the masses that they deserve their fate. Religions in theocracies is only one of those ideologies. The globalists need one, too:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-one-world-religion-and-islam

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