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I often wondered, and did in fact ask several grocery store clerks; 'Are you being paid wear that mask? Reminiscent of those craigslist advertisements for paid political activists. The psychology behind that would be 'monkey see monkey do'.

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Jul 25Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)
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Good collection, but it mixes the lackeys with the lords. :)

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Jul 28Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Thanks. I posted that link by mistake while posting it in another of your fine articles. Keep up the good work. Contributions coming soon!

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Thanks!

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A passionate take down of the concepts of Mass Formation.

Hammering on about "individuals" doesn't change the fact that individuals are also parts of groups, with a deeply ingrained survival instincts related to fitting in with those groups and the tribal support for compliance.

This tribal alignment for survival has been maximized and exploited. You can hold individuals accountable, but it is going to required unpacking exactly how and where free will was handed over to the group--for relief or whatever--and how it has backfired. It was not wisdom or collective wisdom. It was group think occurring as a mass error.

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"Mass formation" is reinventing the wheel, and not in a good way:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/a-mass-formation-of-morons-using

Not sure which group you would assign me to, but I can assure you, you would be wrong. :)

To each, their own.

If someone doesn't or (most people) cannot exercise their Free Will, one can write volumes about it without getting anywhere:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/i-have-solved-the-question-of-free

Survival is for animals, not for humans who want to retain some dignity. Sadly, that's a dying race.

A single intelligent person usually solves a problem a LOT more efficiently than a group in which the same person is present. Okay, it's a no-brainer, and the very idea of "intelligence" comes into question:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/are-you-intelligent

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The fanatics in charge of Ukraine are an example of 'mass formation'. They are true believers, and their willingness to use violence makes them dangerous to everyone outside their cult. By taking on a formidable adversary, they have succeeded in destroying their homeland. Needless to say, that formidable adversary is not the Ukrainian people. They are little more than spectators, or cannon fodder.

Could a similar disaster occur on the basis of 'public health' instead of racial superiority?

Of course it could.

Why do some people (including former academics) have an issue with this sociological theory? Does it upset your black and white view of the world? Your notions of good versus evil? Courage versus cowardice?

It's been obvious that there are people who go along to get along, who are coerced, or who aren't morally offended by a particular measure. Then there are those who weren't coerced, who aren't acting out of fear, and find validation in the exact same measure. It is intellectually dishonest to fail to draw a distinction between these cohorts, or to examine their motives.

Individual action, as in martyrdom, is useless. Unless you yourself are a true believer. According to one theory, fanatics want to erase their individuality; their place in society.

Individual action, in speaking out, appears to be our only weapon. Thus, Jon Rappoport will speak out on the non-existence of viruses, as an issue that cannot be ignored. He, just like Mathias Desmet, will be dismissed by those who disagree. Dismissal is not productive.

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Great post, Bob, I concur wholeheartedly. One of the worst things that can happen to a human is to be ostracized from a group aka "the herd". It's scary for most humans to be isolated from the herd and the vast majority don't do well as loners. Simply look at what happens to prisoners in isolation for very long, many go crazy or try suicide. We humans are prone to herd mentality unless we think things through. I've met far too many young people who have no ability to think things through. They have been enormously dumbed down since I went to school in the 50s/60s. They aren't taught critical thinking and computers have taken the place of critical thinking. It is no stretch of the imagination to suppose that "the masses" will think as one group when propagandized and mind-controlled (mind controls IS real, there's tons of evidence. Look up Church hearings + mind control if you don't believe me, use freespoke.com search engine it doesn't censor.) These people are basically hypnotized, if you will, and they have focused on surviving this pandemic instead of thinking things through and thinking outside the box. Hence, "mass formation." I suspect Desmet's mass formation theory struck a nerve with Mr. Rappaport, as he does alot of ranting and his arguments don't really hold water for me. For instance, his definition of victim leaves out the fact that sometimes things happen to people without them having in any way caused something bad to happen to them. These people ARE victims. It's how you respond to that unfortunate event that makes the difference. If you refuse the label of victim and try to recover from that bad event, you can then become a hero. But first, most folks will see themselves as a victim, which is normal. When Rappaport talks about victims not being able to rise up, I would counter with, not everyone is able to rise up and fight back. Some folks have serious health problems which prevent taking any action. Others aren't able to because they simply aren't informed and have been brainwashed. Are they victims? Probably because harmful things were done to them. These people may in future fight back but right now they're too brainwashed to see it. They simply haven't gotten to the same conclusion the rest of us have and they may never get there but alot of them are, in fact there are more and more people waking up all the time. But this isn't fast enough for Rappaport who has already concluded they are losers. Simply put, not everyone sees the big picture right away, some take longer and that's just the human condition. To me, his arguments just don't add up.

On another note: When I was in Ukraine in 1977, there were Nazis there. They left at end of WW2 but came back in the 50s and stayed. They were a small group, but in 2014, Nazis took power with the help of various evil entities in America, Victoria Nuland apparently was one of them. (There is an article about her in today/yesterday's Gateway Pundit.) There are others along with her. Zelensky is a Nazi. I've seen lots of pictures of swastikas and other Nazi symbols in Ukraine posted online. Some are posted by locals there. IMO, Nazis were a cult, so yes, Bob, I think you have it right. It is very cultlike and a cult is a mass formation and a good example of one. I think you hit the nail on the head.

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My impression was similar. The term doesn't seem to have much substance to it, but I can't say for certain without looking more into it. However, the topic doesn't excite me, so I'll have to pass on it and sit on the sidelines on this one. ;)

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Dec 27, 2022Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

What really got me in the whole mass formation scam was the idea that politicians unconsciously begin to act like tyrants because that's what all those 'mass formation' folks want them to do.

Uh...no. Just no

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The scam is the idea that "mass formation" exists. It's just good-old conformity... Of course, being prepared for the six thugs dressed up as highwaymen is part of the job. :)

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It's not about the topic. It's about gathering folks who have no certain self-respect and direction together. This subject is actually crucial, because it collects a lot of faux "academics" who use the prefix "Dr." I consider that presumptuous, although I have two doctoral degrees. Everyone has to prove themselves EVERY time, and a degree or a status just don't cut it...

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You're tilting at a lot of windmills. I salute you! o7

I agree with you 100% about people proving themselves - especially with the quality of their thoughts, actions, and character.

However, academics are often ego-driven, and they're always trying to sound smarter than they really are. That's just the way they are. I'm guilty of it too.

Anyway, time and energy are finite resources. I'm not particularly passionate about this issue, so I'd rather pick a different battle to fight. It's better if someone else with more enthusiasm handles it. But I do agree that the whole "mass formation" thing is very, very annoying. Haha.

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That's why I refuse to use the "Dr" title, despite having two "doctoral" degrees (with a focus on Cognitive Linguistics) and having spent 23 years in the academia as a "professor."

Acting in such a pretentious manner would make me into a bigger idiot than what I already am, at least, in my own eyes. :)

The psychos are integral enforcers of the system, so I wouldn't say the problem is peripheral. They stand out as ones exercising immense power over people's lives, yet their credentials are usually not worth a penny; rather, they tend to do more harm than good...

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The part that mass formation, however flawed, might help to explain is the absolute intransigence of people who believe, and their stubborn refusal even to listen to or read information that contradicts their adopted world view. Referring to that phenomenon as hypnosis does help to explain their behavior. Is it simply cognitive dissonance that is being labeled as mass hypnosis? Perhaps. Either way, one of the most frustrating aspect of this disaster is the closed mindedness of people who, still wearing masks, simply will not even try to understand what the rest of us understood from the beginning.

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I explained the phenomenon in two pages without having to write a book or making a penny out of it. :)

The mass hypnosis exists only among Desmet's followers...

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You and I butt heads quite a bit Ray.. but that's ok. We're both pretty strong willed individuals.

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Ray, I imagine you’ve probably noticed by now... that I have myself, on quite a number of occasions, referred to Mattias Desmet and his theory on mass formation in various posts.

Call me an idiot if you will... but I still firmly believe there’s quite a bit of merit in his ideas. I don’t believe ‘mass formation’ accounts for 100% of everything that’s happened over the course of the past few years.. but I certainly ‘do believe’ it accounts for a large part of it. I certainly wouldn’t be referring to Desmet as any type of crackpot pseudo scientist, that’s for sure! Although I strongly believe his appearing on the Alex Jones show didn’t exactly do him any favours! That was a big mistake!

Let’s be clear... Desmet's theory on mass formation wasn't just plucked out of thin air as so many would like to believe. It’s based on volumes of published research going as far back as the late 1800s. The two people Desmet refers to the most, i.e.., Gustave Le Bon & Hannah Arendt, pretty much laid down the groundwork towards Desmet's observations on the subject.

Not everyone going along with the draconian rules and restrictions... do so, because they’re afraid of speaking out. No, quite to the contrary... they 100% "fully believe", there is an ongoing worldwide health emergency, and that everything that has.. and continues to be done... is being done for the “greater good” and to protect granny from dying!” These people FULLY BELIEVE THIS CRAP!

Who can deny that trying to reach these people so fixated on the government led, mainstream media fed, "official covid narrative" is very much like trying to reach people who are under some form of hypnosis? Anyone who's tried, knows it's a near impossible task! And let’s not forget Desmet’s repeated pointing out, that the solidarity of the mass formation is not formed between ‘individuals’... but between ‘individuals and the insane ideology itself’.

We all know there are “evil doers” behind all of this, but ask yourself... could these evil doers be pulling off their evil doings, without the ‘willing assistance’ of the hypnotised masses? i.e.. the doctors and the people who continue to inject these toxins into young children, despite all the evidence that's come to light?

The larger percentage of the masses are victims of menticide. Their minds have literally been 'reprogrammed' by almost three years of intensely targeted, military grade, 'SAGE nudge unit orchestrated' psychological manipulation.

As Desmet suggests... around 30% of us, that is... 'the percentage of society that could so easily see through the manipulation' (for whatever number of reasons) managed to escaped it! I don't see what's so difficult to believe about that? We're just smart enough, or aware enough, or suspicious enough.. to see right through the bullshit! Don’t underestimate just how many people still fully believe with every fibre of their being.. that we are all engaged in an heroic battle against a never ending attack from viruses and life threatening medical conditions! These people's minds are totally FRIED!

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John, I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings.

Still, I would appreciate, if you read feral lunch lady's comments and my brief articles from the links in my first post; I strongly believe that my explanation is simpler and more comrehensive than Desmet's, and it didn't take a lot of "research" and a book to write it down. Jon Rappoport's first text is in sync with my opinion. Both he and I know how "the academia" works; been there, seen enough of it to get sick of the cheap scams in it.

What Desmet describes is the way such things have always worked and they have been described in many different ways, but Desmet is the first one who believes that he is coming up with something new. He isn't. He is like Hollywood: selling the same old story in new costumes.

As for your wording, there have been no "draconian rules." "Draconian" laws are severe, but the can be just, while nothing that has been going on was just. The word, however, confirms people's powerlessness, which is a bad thing...

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Yes.. I read through both yours and Rappoport's thoughts on the subject. My pointing out that the solidarity of the mass formation is not formed between ‘individuals’... but between ‘individuals and the ideology itself’... was largely in response to Rappoport's point on everyone operating as an "individual", as evidence there's no merit in the idea of a mass formation.

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Sep 12, 2022Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Way to go Ray💕. JR’s reporting, for a long time, is the reason I questioned the Jabs in the first place. The gang o monsters was salivating to find an excuse to use the MRNA techno jab crap. This Mass Formation, and add on Psychosis just to add some woo for fun, and a great cop out of responsibility for stupid is ‘mass formed’ .

Hugs Humans 💕

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Susan, I need a link to your store!

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It was mostly his news that made me think first, too! :)

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Sep 12, 2022Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Ha! You have not ben reading Jon before he got on substack. That man is a foul mouthed genius.

If he DIDN'T use "foul language" I'd be suspect. BTW, both of you guy's articles have been spot on, on this subject.

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He used to be witty or funny, when using crude language. I guess, he is just getting tired. :)

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Sep 12, 2022Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

"They can’t just talk about what’s going on in the world and who’s doing what to whom. That would be below them." -- Not "below", above them.

It's not about "intellectuals" making "intellectual garbage." It is about liars, frauds, criminals, and cowards that intentionally lie to and brainwash the public and shape the public's opinion.

The public has been trained to accept and consider only certain information from only certain frauds and pseudo-contrarians, placed for them to follow and worship. That is why every malicious fraud, cunningly promoted by the gov., has millions of followers/views and thousands of paid subscribers, and those who tell the truth have very few.

That's the "mass formation." Of course, I do not use the term in any way it has been presented recently, never even considered that garbage. It was not "recently coined," it has always been there, in the form of the strong (and subtle) propaganda to which the majority responds perfectly.

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Sep 12, 2022Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Not everyone believed in the masks, even while wearing them. If you can't get into a grocery store without one, you wear one and take it off as soon as you get out of the store. Some people told me at the time, but you can order food online. That may be a good solution for some people, but I like to do my own shopping, and wearing a mask in the store enabled me to shop there. Many people were like me: outwardly compliant but not fooled. Ordering online isn't quite the revolutionary act some people think it is, it's as enabling and compliant as wearing a mask to the store, plus you are staying home and outsourcing your life like they want.

In many places nowadays, mask mandates have been dropped, and guess what, far fewer people are wearing masks. The ones who still wear masks are the ones who were fooled. The rest of us are not fooled and probably weren't, even when we complied.

I'm not a cartoon heroine who will murder a security guard or go hungry rather than wear a mask. Protest has to make sense. But I think the people who come up with these "mass" theories aren't aware enough that most people have an inner life, and their public behavior doesn't tell you everything about them. This is why dictators like Ceausescu can be surprised by a sudden overthrow...the people didn't show their feelings until the right moment.

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You are absolutely correct: if it was mass behavior, people would still muzzle themselves.

Those with no power were often forced to obey, which is anything but "mass formation."

Your analogy with Ceausescu is right to the point!

My wife and I were lucky: we usually simply walked by the person at store entrances. Never had a problem. The local sheriff didn't enforce the edict. Costco had former prison guards or secret police in the store (they looked and acted like Stazi agents), so I didn't go there.

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Sep 12, 2022Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

In the very beginning I "followed the rules" too. I wore the mask only in the store or at a medical facility in order to get what I needed. I live in Florida and our city had a "mask mandate". After a short time I started getting really angry being told to do something that made no sense, so I breezily walked past the person at the door- if they asked if I had a mask, I told them yes. I did have one in my purse "for emergencies" but did not put it on. I had no problems with it most of the time. One time an employee insisted I had to, and I simply left the store. I agree about Costco - they went nuts, with lines outside and scary guards yelling at people. I was a new member at the time, and never went back and never renewed my membership.

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YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!! YOU NAILED IT WITH A REALLY BIG, BLUNT HAMMER!!!

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Thank you... Sadly, I have received more than enough of the idiocy in a lot of articles in the last few days! That's all about inspiration! :)

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That made my day. :)

The only "mass formation" I can see is the cattle developing "herd immunity" for common sense. :)

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