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Frank's avatar

Another thing that the movement brought forth is using fuel to compost off site and then fraudulently resale the compost as organic, while creating huge waste pits that no longer turn over biologically.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Didn't know about that line of action. Can you provide more details, please?

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Frank's avatar

Right, so trash dumps used to 'turn over', ie, decompose due to having the proper mixture of carbon and nitrogen. There was one in the Portland Oregon area where they collected the methane gas and used it to fuel a lime plant.

Since removing the nitrogen from the rubbish collection, all the carbon debris just lays in the hole and doesn't break down and go back into the environment.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

This also reminds me of oil-eating bacteria. :)

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Frank's avatar

Based on my knowledge of brewing beer, I am going to guess that a bacteria that breaks down large chains of petroleum is a myth.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Essential information. I'm pinning it to the top.

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Carole's avatar

We are wasting precious water cleaning garbage.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

If you do not buy plastic things you do not have to dispose of them. Focus on foods first and primarily. This solves half the problem, or more.

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Gene Adaway's avatar

When someone half-heartedly asks if everything is run by Organized Crime, I usually suggest they watch Back to School. The truth is; the government didn’t eliminate Organized Crime, they merged with it.

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Frank's avatar

I agree, but I think it's the other way around.

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Lynn Ferguson's avatar

I also got sucked into the job of separating recyclables into three baskets to leave at the curb, only to find them retrieved by one truck. I eventually gave them their baskets back. I did continue to compost for my garden. A few years ago, when we were sick and tired of the spraying of "biosolids" on land too close to our primary river and ocean; we mobilized our community to find a solution. We found Dr. Richard Honour who had come up with an ingenious method for a way to address the core issue. The wheels of change grind exceedingly slowly, but eventually we will arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. (These systems are expensive to build).

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

You are doing what you can!

It's good to hear there is a community around you! :)

Can you tell more of the story, please? Sounds intriguing.

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Gene Adaway's avatar

I sorted glass soda bottles behind a large grocery store in the 70’s, by size and origin. The difference then; glass was a good reusable material, like steel or aluminum. It could be washed, melted, skimmed, etc. Contaminated plastic doesn’t hold the same appeal to manufacturers; nor does leaking batteries, or broken light bulbs (did that too). The soda bottlers, even milk bottlers used to rinse out glass bottles; that’s why occasionally you’d get one with a chip missing or scratched label. The bottle deposit was really more for reuse; recycling is a term well understood in the industry, it just doesn’t work for everything.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

And the world is running out of glass!

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Gene Adaway's avatar

There’s an unending source of persuasion to blame the little guy, but the truth is much simpler. Without the hidden hand of government; 90% of what we see as successful companies, couldn’t make it.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Blaming the victim is an old trick, because it works.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Some of them, like Boggle and Fakebook from the black budget, with the help of the alphabet-soup agencies! :)

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I have added the following footnote:

Theoretically, it is possible to turn plastic into oil (plastic originates from the oil industry). Is it not cost-effective? Maybe:

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/making-fuel-from-dirty-plastic

Is it another ruse to collect the taxpayer’s money, while the technology is blocked by Big Oil?

https://www.oil-price.net/en/articles/making-oil-from-plastic.php

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Gene Adaway's avatar

A good example would be the oil-soaked petroleum coke we generate from refining. Sure, we dunk it in hot water, but that’s only partially effective. If we kept it around; we could make mountains out of it, so we sell it to China. They burn it in their power plants, which makes a hundred times more pollution than our mountains would.

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Gene Adaway's avatar

Often they opt for a series of smaller lies to prevent telling an even worse truth. Like mining the ocean’s pristine sand or burning these plastics in incinerators. Dog and pony shows are created to steer attention away from something.

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Gene Adaway's avatar

The government creates pathways for things that look appealing on the surface; but are impractical or don’t hold up under meaningful scale, then use these stories to discredit the reality.

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Gene Adaway's avatar

Yes, there are no small parts, only small actors. The government may have begun by infiltrating the Legacy Media, but it’s 100% Pravda now.

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KW NORTON's avatar

Frauds everywhere - especially in the 15-minute "smart" cities. The entire "good" citizen, proper cool hippie thang.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

And in many places, they don't even need "democracy" to commit fraud on a large scale! Of course, the most effective form of government to support fraud is "democracy."

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KW NORTON's avatar

Maybe but it seems all the other forms of government are exceedingly good at fraud as well. I can understand being disillusioned with "democracy" but it is more about governments, period. If you want someone to commit crimes put them in charge of something in a civilization - they will almost always cave to the temptation of committing fraud. We are in the middle of a civilizational collapse - the third year of WW III if you will.

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Tsipora Pereira's avatar

Right, nothing built on lies can last. Not even a marriage let alone a civilization.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Which may have assisted the collapse of the "socialist" countries, although most of them were blatantly stolen by their "communist" leaders, who felt like privatizing everything, transferring ownership to themselves, and selling everything to western entrepreneurs. :)

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KW NORTON's avatar

You know that is such a sane view. But it is one I have trouble getting across these days, lol.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

In the case of a single ruler, corruption is at least evident, which might or might not stay the ruler's hand from doing the kind of spectacular damage all the time that the US national budget keeps demonstrating. :)

In ancient Rome, the really crazy ceasars were usually killed by their own bodyguards, which may have served as a warning for the next ceasars to come.

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KW NORTON's avatar

There simply is no government so far on this planet. But I am always hopeful. Just getting tired of the constant civilizational failures. Civilization seems to be on death row here. We trade our 'freedom" for some kleptocrat's idea of security and this is where we end up.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Yup, governments have been hijacked; 99% of them are illegitimate...

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KW NORTON's avatar

Yes they have but can you show me one somewhere that was not highjacked?

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Elsa's avatar

Awful when we do our best - and a few people profit - and nothing is done that we believe we are paying for. A tiny example of what we face.

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Tsipora Pereira's avatar

In the 1990s I read an article in NRC about the (I believe) Swedish king who visited a waste plant and saw with his own royal eyes how all the refuse, so carefully separated at the palace, was reunited there. Garbage-wise it was my first red flag. At the time NRC was the Dutch flagship on the high seas of Dutch journalism. Now it is MSM. I unsubscribed from the paper and from de garbage scam as well.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

You preceded me by long! :)

Until the globalists bought them sometime around 2012, I even used to read the TIME Magazine and the New York Times (mostly as entertainment). Once purchased, their quality fell to rock bottom after only a couple of months. I keep wondering who has the patience to read them now (I suspect ghost subscribers are "supporting" them from the nation's black budget).

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Tsipora Pereira's avatar

The quality of NRC went palpably down after about 2000. I used to say it's the best of the bad, good we have none (high seas of Dutch journalism is an oxymoron). I kept reading it intermittently, mainly for the literature section the quality of which also suffered badly. Only after the virus "broke out" I unsubscribed officially and in disgust, with a letter and so on.

So I don't think I preceded you but thanks for the compliment ;-)

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Oh, my favorite oxymoron used to be "military intelligence," but that has changed to "human intelligence" recently. :)

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Jon Grah's avatar

The military seems to be quite adept at being able to distribute technologies to the masses that ultimately result in the consumer's own increased enslavement. They deserve some credit; deceiving the whole world requires some high level theatrics.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I have an article on what and how to read these days:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-to-read-now-and-how

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Duchess's avatar

Which is why I have always refused to gift wrap the garbage.

People so stupid...(Tom MacDonald).

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I definitely used to be (and probably still am in ways I know little about). :)

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