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Sorry, I had to ban MLK, because he took over the comment section with nonsense.

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Well I came back to respond to MLK. To say I dont know. Except that maybe state the problem and ask others opinion. Maybe your looking at this only at a logical rational level and its a mystery that ppl try to understand but does not mean its completely out of reach of understanding. I saw someone address this and thought the person has more faith and understanding than me. I think it was in reference to a person named Rob Skiba? Anyway suggest Gods revelation to the human heart by seraphim rose.

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It upset too many readers, and I should have done it after the first "comment" by MLK, but my mind was clear only this morning, so apologies for the delay. I've already posted my rules for banning people and you've read them.

Here are they again, just in case:

On May 6, 2023, the one-year anniversary of my site, I issued a "general amnesty," (I think, it was three people) and I haven't had to ban anyone yet. Of course, I will, if I have to, because the comment sections make up much of the value on my site and I won't tolerate comments that deter readers.

I've also published the common offenses in:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/intelligent-trolls-are-now-saying

and in

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/this-site-needs-your-help

The-Crypto-Rationalist also recommended the following excellent page:

https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1388

The first article summarizes the threat:

During the 12 months, I have encountered a number of trolls/bots/humans whose train had left the tracks. The latest ones are extremely smart and sophisticated. In this article, I’ll refer to such trolls/bots/humans as Entities, which I will abbreviate as EY.

How do EY operate?

1. EY usually gives you something first in order to gain your trust;

2. floods comment sections with irrelevant, confusing, or misleading comments in order to make the sections unreadable;

3. employs mind-bending tricks in order to exhaust the reader and force them into brainless submission;

5. isolates and decontextualizes contents in order to be able to use straw man arguments and false analogies;

6. EY never completes its arguments in order to make sure the process can never end; when forced into completing an argument, it tends to attack you ad hominem (sometimes going as far as posting long diatribes) or, on preferred occasions, politely vanishes;

7. eventually, it tries to discredit you in order to get rid of an opponent of the official narrative that they actually serve.

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You seem to be missing the target. I don't freaking care who is upsetting whom, but I want to provide a place, where people can respectfully and quitely exchange ideas.

Also, as you are not exactly religious, making fun of others who are, is not exactly nice, wouldn't you say? As soon as you tell me what YOU believe in, I can write up a sarcastic pamphlet about it in no time...

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Jun 6, 2023·edited Jun 7, 2023Author

I remember a communications "professional" telling me that words could not hurt her. As she had been trying to humiliate me for years (yes, I was like a little lamb who didn't hit back), eventually I asked her to give me half an hour and at the end, she was screaming. :)

Not behaving as children is a good idea.

Can I start up our own forum now, please?

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Jun 7, 2023Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

You may very well be correct in your thinking about man needing a community but I have not yet come across one that appeals to me and I don’t feel that I am missing anything crucial to my existence. Most all languages have a word for the inhuman erroneous concept of nothing which installs fear in the children who then need some movement to reassure them. If I belong to a community,I would say it is a community of ideas. And since I decided many years ago that all ideas are alien does that mean I am an alien? I feel that I am more human than most

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Welcome to the club! :)

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I too think people hide behind religion often times to justify a perceived “righteous” action. Think Crusades, Pope, Vatican & govt. leaders. Hoping they all get theirs in the end.

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Self-righteousness is one of the worst offenses, because those people force their "values" on others. Yes, it happens in many religions, but it happens even more often in secular circles.

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Hi Ray! I've been listening to a guy in Tennessee who teaches: no free will, God creates evil, holidays are pagan, etc. Thought he might be right up your alley ;) It's refreshing in this world of apostate churches! This is a link to just one (out of thousands) you could watch OR listen to: http://www.graceandtruth.net/videos-sp-2076601681/message/3137-sovereignty-predestination-god-has-ordained-all-things-good-evil-and-man-s-wrath-the-promise-and-inheritance-not-believing-these-things-you-are-arguing-with-god

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Refreshing exposition. Thanks for the resource.

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Predestination is there in certain Protestant denominations, too. It is popular, because it lifts personal responsibility off its followers' shoulders.

Free will does exist, but it's hardly ever exercised:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/i-have-solved-the-question-of-free

God is not needed to create Hell; humans do a good job at it. Hell is where Evil resides, right?

Do I sound like him? :)

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Jun 6, 2023Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Actually, you do. ;) He argues exactly your point: "it lifts personal responsibility off its followers' shoulders"; that protestants and reformers (reformed baptists too) who teach predestination teach an 'easy Jesus, or gospel', ex: 'once saved, always saved'. They're not teaching to deny oneself daily (carry your cross). https://www.graceandtruth.net/videos-sp-2076601681/message/3925-reformers-and-calvinists-do-not-fully-believe-in-predestination-and-the-sovereignty-of-god-god-sends-men-to-hell-on-purpose-babies-do-not-go-to-hell-there-is-error-they-will-not-give-up He suggests using the interlinear bible (translated from the textus receptus) and he studies the original Greek and Hebrew. He hates all the 'preachers' lies! Ex's: the 'church' (or temple) is the believer, not a building, stop charging for God's word, 'crackers and grape juice' is just catholicism,, believers are baptized by Jesus through His blood, not water, etc. He goes through the original words and shows how the 'preachers' have invented their own doctrines and distorted God's word. The scorpions in Revelation refers to the 'false teachers'.

On a personal note, I'm being blocked from online purchases now. Not long before I'm not allowed to pay my mortgage, utilities, etc.

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Thank you for your correction.

Sorry to hear about your online problem. How about using personal checks or prepaid cards in person or by mail?

As for the misunderstanding, it looks like it's my bad. You know that I don't watch videos and I went along with your introduction. I'm VERY, VERY tired...

My objective with this article was simply to point out that only coherent communities can resist successfully and they need an ideology that keeps the members together. Religion is the best candidate. Only good can defeat evil, simple resistance cannot.

I never meant to get into arguments, and I still don't. However, after MLK attacked me ad hominem and started preaching and promoting himself, it took me another day to realize that this is not what this site is all about.

Life is no fun without Free Will, at least not for me.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me; I'm trying to inform, entertain, and inspire my readers to make their own choices. No need for arguments; sharing and peaceful discussion suffice.

At the same time, the truth is not for sale, and I am agnostic about it. Pointing out conflicts of interest is also part of my trade here, where I'm playing journalist. :)

Famines, "plagues," natural catastrophes, wars and rumors of wars are certainly around now.

For me, the personal relationship with the Creator, aligning it with His messages, are the only guides. I do not submit to any self-proclaimed spiritual authority,

When it comes to the messages, it's there that "at the end of times, many people's hearts will grow cold." Still, "the Spirit will teach you about the Truth." My last encounter was when I was 32, and I'm still working on living up to it. :)

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Jun 6, 2023Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Ray, I apologize if it came across if I was arguing. I just thought the guy sounded closer to some things you thought (and the links I gave did have audio options... lol). I know you'll take it or leave it and I'm not offended if you don't look at any link I put up. I promise I won't add another link from 'flawed men'. ;)

I really respect your thoughts and appreciate the humane discourse! I'm willing to look at anything to find truth.. I agree with you more than you know!

I'm grateful for your suggestions for personal checks/prepaid cards! I'm going to have to call mortgage, utilities and demand bills via mail and pay by check that way! Wow, I'm still in their system with the online payments. Working on that next. Thank you!

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Not all prepaid cards are all that great, so you might want to find out about the details. Canceling "paperless statements" is also a good idea, if it's allowed.

No need to apologize, but let me explain my decision a bit more.

After he disrespected me, I was not interested in anything else he would say. That told me everything I needed to know about him, but he violated a lot more principles that confirmed that trolling was happening.

As for banning, here are my rules (obviously, he didn't "befriend" me before trying to discredit me and confuse/bore/aggravate readers, while taking over the space in comments; sorry, I can't allow anything like that, because it destroys the community in the comment sections):

On May 6, 2023, the one-year anniversary of my site, I issued a "general amnesty," (I think, it was three people) and I haven't had to ban anyone yet. Of course, I will, if I have to, because the comment sections make up much of the value on my site and I won't tolerate comments that deter readers.

I've also published the common offenses in:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/intelligent-trolls-are-now-saying

and in

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/this-site-needs-your-help

The-Crypto-Rationalist also recommended the following excellent page:

https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1388

The first article summarizes the threat:

During the 12 months, I have encountered a number of trolls/bots/humans whose train had left the tracks. The latest ones are extremely smart and sophisticated. In this article, I’ll refer to such trolls/bots/humans as Entities, which I will abbreviate as EY.

How do EY operate?

1. EY usually gives you something first in order to gain your trust;

2. floods comment sections with irrelevant, confusing, or misleading comments in order to make the sections unreadable;

3. employs mind-bending tricks in order to exhaust the reader and force them into brainless submission;

5. isolates and decontextualizes contents in order to be able to use straw man arguments and false analogies;

6. EY never completes its arguments in order to make sure the process can never end; when forced into completing an argument, it tends to attack you ad hominem (sometimes going as far as posting long diatribes) or, on preferred occasions, politely vanishes;

7. eventually, it tries to discredit you in order to get rid of an opponent of the official narrative that they actually serve.

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Art/ literature/ music? I incline towards christian- like Flannery Oconnor.

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Flan O'Connor was one of the best authors.

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You are taking over the comment section. Please, don't.

Your links are most welcome.

You have your own Stack and you can write an article about this. After that, in a sentence or two, you explain how your writing pertains to the subject, and post the link. It's that easy.

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Jun 6, 2023·edited Jun 6, 2023Author

It's not an opinion; I've talked to Muslims about it. If you read the link about Mohammad, you can find out more. You are preferring to vent and place some self-marketing here instead.

What makes you imply that I condone killing people on the other side of the world? That's EXTREMELY insulting.

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I agree with a lot of these statements MLK

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And I have also written about them a long time ago. 9/11 was an inside job; there is no question about it. Wasting lives and money on wars against people who posed no threat to the US was certainly true, too. I'm not sure about "pastors," but during the plandemic, most religions accepted the lockdowns, proving that their "authorities" cared more for serving the government than their own flock. The Polish pastor in Canada was one of the few exceptions, but a few Roman Catholic bishops were also kicked out of their jobs after refusing to comply.

Beyond that, Arabs have their own culture and tradition, and both are completely incompatible with the Greco-Roman individualistic European tradition.

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The link is not working.

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Good for you! :)

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Oh my...I almost hesitate to comment after that Ray.

I just want to say that to try to sum up Buddhism in one off the cuff remark does not cut it. Buddhism goes very deep and unless you've really delved into it there would be no way of knowing. Cheers!

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I'm gonna have to stop you right there at the first couple sentences. Where, at any point in the article, does Ray explicitly say "that religion is necessary for mental health"? Or where is that even implied??

I didn't bother reading the rest of your comment because your premise is utter nonsense.

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It looks like you are smarter than western history in the last 2,000 years. Must be proud of yourself. Oops, apparently, you are...

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I was sloppy by exclusively saying that religion is necessary for mental health; other mental constructs can serve the purpose of the person's living for something greater than their life and abandon living in fear. Religion is only the easiest way to do it, assuming it's not based on fear itself (like "hellfire"). Sadly, determinism or believing in endless new chances can also alleviate the burden of having to choose for oneself.

Still, the technocrats' functionalism can be countered only with an ideology that creates AND maintains communities and makes them resilient. Philosophy cannot do that in the long run.

Every religion becomes corrupt, ones it becomes state ideology.

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I do surprise my readers at every turn, but that's in my nature. I haven't noticed that they were monkeys on a branch and I've never posed as daddy, but maybe I'm just tired and lacking my sense of humor, which has always exceeded the standards of New England, but have been falling behind other sectors of the Globe. :)

The ideologues in a culture are not always from a religion. The technocrats are a good example, when "scientists" and "experts" take on the role of the priesthood, but in atheistic "communist" countries, the same roles were kindly distributed and their vast "knowledge" enforced without any religion, too.

All civilizations are structured in the same manner:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/from-the-untouchables-to-the-expendables

Whatever power touches, becomes corrupt. Religion is only one of those domains. Humans, in general, are not exactly saints, and please, allow me to be included. :)

What exactly do you think is NOT corrupt? :)

I think, I've figured out to keep going on and on with our conversation without taking over whole comment sections. How do you feel about a "Reante and Ray" or "Ray and Reante" opening?

Would you be so kind as NOT to use the word "society" in our interactions, please? Culture, civilization, political structure, or whatever else is more accurate, depending on what you mean to say.

So, are you after Animism? It's not bad in my opinion, but it doesn't work for large communities, at least not by what I've learnt about it.

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Jun 5, 2023·edited Jun 5, 2023Author

Your opinion is most welcome! :)

Well, I don't particularly appreciate your personally divining me, but that speaks for itself, so I'm not going to touch it.

For that matter, if you had managed to read my article, it's the personal experience that matters.

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Jun 5, 2023·edited Jun 5, 2023Author

Yours is not available. The link doesn't work. However, while you are on my site, I am expecting civilized behavior and you don't seem to be willing to follow that code.As long as you are making a monkey out of yourself, I don't mind.

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You sound angry MLK. Is that because you are no longer a believer and your fate lies in hell or is it that you clearly devoted so much time studying the Bible instead of doing more useful things? Just curious because I’m way behind.

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Your saying God had a foreknowledge of hell- and your displeased?

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This is the time, when I have to ban you. You have taken over the comment section with nonsense.

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The orthodox believe evil does not exist in and of itself is an absence of good. Satan fell . If this issue bothers you read the orthodox fathers or seraphim rose. Its much more complicated.

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Jun 5, 2023·edited Jun 5, 2023Author

As you must know, I'm not going to get into such arguments. My conditions for a discussion are outlined here:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/steve-kirsch-is-challenging-again

Other than that, you are welcome to believe whatever makes you happy, but please, restrict your comments to opinions and sharing personal experience. This is not a religious site and preaching is not welcome, unless it stays within the confines of personal opinion. Your contribution doesn't seem to respect that boundary, but as long as you are not trying to overtake the comment section, I don't mind.

Please, keep your comments concise and SPECIFICALLY address whatever you believe I am saying in the article. Straw-man arguments are not welcome, either, and at this point, that's all you are doing. I'm keeping your comment(s) as examples of that.

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