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Your articles I find 'on', just personal opinion plus 'some science', some reading. Thanks for your straightforward discussion on 'Mercola'. I had no idea why I wanted distance there and you helped.

There was 'Louis Pasteur', 'Einstein', then along came 'viruses' like

polio, then those 'vaccines'. All lies, but all leading to loads of money

and power, or control, yet more money then.

I didn't know how passive I was, still, didn't know how I refused

to be 'in control'. Today, I let a writer, a good writer make shipwreck of me because I wasn't 'watching', didn't 'take control', but held back.

Got gob smacked for that!!

So I'm writing because I think you're more right.

I still have some problems with 'terrain', 'exosomes'.

I don't see how so many in a single classroom (not the whole school, not all ages) end up with those red spots, or 'bad colds' if

they don't, can't spread it.

I don't know if we really were all conditioned to get away from

someone sneezing or coughing.

I think most of its a lie, but perhaps a bit real thrown in.

I have a decent science background, read up, and

know a lot of nothing at all.

It really is that house of mirrors, or Alice. A drug trip.

Because I take no drugs, I trip.

I'll understand if you say I don't make sense. Nothing does

in this dimension any more.

But your writing struck by far the most chords.

You're doing important work.

I'm end of life here, you're starting. Wishing you the best.

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You are too modest. :) You have done your vectoring and if everything points in the same direction, you cannot be all that wrong; at least, that's one of my principles.

For a new medical paradigm that includes a theory of developing/contracting an illness, please read the following:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/an-alternative-theory-of-diseases

It is enough, if one student imports a pathogen that is new to the students' immune system in the classroom. It happens all the time, but these can be germs, parasites, and most recently, artificial graphene-based toxins.

All detrimental sources can be placed under the umbrella of "stress" that involves physical (including radiation from 5G towers, Wi-Fi, electric appliances, the house wiring, "smart" meters, microwave ovens and the like), chemical, or psychological (even fear can make one sick) agents. They all add up and once they exceed the level of the body's ability to fight them, illness occurs. The body normally fights these off, but it can be overwhelmed.

Exosomes seem to be what the official narrative calls "viruses":

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-is-a-virus

According to Einstein, "science" knows about 1-2 percent of the stuff it pretends to know. I think, he is an optimist. Science is a lame epistemological tool, but scientist look where they can see more than nothing and, moreover, where they can get paid:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/freaks-of-science

For comic relief, let me suggest reading my little post on how fake everything is by now:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/welcome-to-the-fake-world-neo

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Thanks;

i took the time to read about his "fraud" on your stack so i would like to retract that "good intentions" statement;

having said that, i never did trust his motives but merely went for the read to keep an eye on "things" that "THEY" were up to;

seems i was right in my judgement......if only i had this intuition when i was much younger

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I only comment on his site; reading the articles are unnecessary, because it's clear, where he is coming from. His "good intentions" can still be illustrated by the partial truths he is employing (yes, Goebbels said that good propaganda is based on truth).

Compartmentalization of knowledge is part of the overall gaslighting. "Medicine" happens to be a major field for it, duping its practitioners and turning them into Agents of Evil:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/compartmentalized-medicine-turns

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Dec 7, 2022Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Indeed Ray ! I’ve been suspicious of the controlling and destructive forces behind the curtains ever since I read ‘The History of Purchasing Media’ in the mid 90’s. A small educational paperback put out by AIER, American Institute of Economic Research, Great Barrington, MA.

The founder, the late Col. Harwood uses wide language like you do. All as one piece. I’m not so articulate but Work on it. Worked at not relying on the state, or others ever since. These past few years

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Thank you, Susan. Do you have a direct link to the publication?

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The copy I had burned up in our house fire in ‘08. I was a subscriber of their monthly Economic Research Reports. Shortly after the ‘08 event, I attempted to replace the copy I had with no luck. The tone of their publication changed soon after the Obama term began. And I let my subscription laps. They had many useful small booklets, ‘From Limited Government to Leviathan’ and ‘prospects for resumption of a good Standard are just a few I remember.

I never followed up after not having success with my initial try.

They still exist, recently discovered that their facility hosted ‘the Great Barrington’ dr group early in the pandemic.

Jeffrey Tucker, Brownstone Institute, was from AIER. I’m suspect of groups as they seem to want to save and protect themselves over and above any original mission. Ha, just like organized religion.

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Have provided a much clearer understanding of the extent of the evil. Much worse than I could have ever thought. Worst case extinction of us, immediately needed though is avoiding the CBDC - and self trust and sufficiency is the only way-most peeps in a pinch will cave and go for the bait when hungry, scared etc with whatever event(s) is hurled our way.

Same ‘ol song just fancier toys and it’s world wide.

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Yes, Susan, the Evil is much worse than even you and I combined could imagine.

Introducing the CBDC would certainly cause riots and most visible enforcers would be killed, so famine and blackouts must come first. The survivors are expected to beg for "law and order," and will accept the CBDC with all its corollaries... The implications for the lives of those, who cannot stop being human, suggest that making peace with the Creator is the most important first step. Although some preparation is possible and even necessary, the rest will depend on available options and personal preferences at the time of those events.

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Nice post. About Kirsch, he admitted to me on his sub comments that there was no paper proving Sars Cov 2 (screen shot below), and his fund, the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund was administered by the Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors and has a few famous Globalist donors like: Elon Musk Foundation, Vanguard Charitable Fund, etc.

https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/steve-kirsch-substack-banned-me-for

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Dec 7, 2022·edited Dec 7, 2022Author

Thank you for the link; I was one of the two "brave" responders there. :)

Although his focus differs from mine, I respect Kirsch for his attempts and for allowing me to post divergent comments after his articles. Quite a few of my readers came from his site, although a remarkable number found me in a Google search, which still surprises me. My first article on "how to read" elaborates on how one can learn from sources one disagrees with. Fully authentic sites have been running thin. Anyway, it would be next to impossible to find two intelligent and well-meaning people, who agree on everything. As I explicitly state in "What Is Right and What Is Wrong", it doesn't matter. :)

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Dec 7, 2022·edited Dec 7, 2022Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Steve wanted me off because I actually looked things up on what he called "purified viruses" from ATCC. Here you can see my post banned on Aug 3rd.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/if-viruses-dont-exist-then-how-can/comments#comment-8139667

But I copied my comment here:

Steve (or ghostwriter), either you don't read or you read but don't understand any of this, or you just dazzle with black magic illogic. You seem to purposely avoid Fan Wu because you know it's BS, you told me on email you needed to ask your expert team, and I've already entrapped you into admitting there is no paper of a purified sars-cov-2 because you said it takes too long.

This is the ATTC page on: “Purified Viruses”:

https://www.atcc.org/microbe-products/virology/purified-viruses#t=productTab&numberOfResults=24

Firstly, Sars-Cov-2 isn’t on their list of 15 "purified viruses", I ALREADY sent you the specs of their sars-cov-2 product:

https://www.atcc.org/products/all/VR-1986HK.aspx#documentation

This heat-inactivated isolate was based on one-patient from this CDC paper which only did a cell-culture and genome, no isolation:

Article: only cell culture and genome: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/pdfs/20-0516.pdf

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE SARS-2 IS NOW IN OUR FACE, BUT THERE IS NO PURIFIED VERSION ANYWHERE

To look at their purified VIRUS list, I just chose one of the 15 because I’m busy doing other things and each one takes over an hour (only 8 of those even state Purified in the title): I chose Human rhinovirus 1B, Purified ATCC VR-1645PQ

Summary of findings:

1. The original sample VR-1645 was not clearly purified and characterized. No EM confirmation of purity, no pathogenicity confirmed, and no control. ATTC VR-1645PQ was said to be a purification of its non-purified forerunner. Classy.

2. The genome was patched together by computer.

Conclusion: no virus was proven to be found.

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Investigative trail:

The specs say that this product was prepared from ATCC VR-1645 via purification through sucrose cushion, but doesn’t give the methods and can't find them on PubMed so we can’t confirm the EM purification, pathogenicity, nor if there was a control. So it’s all based on VR-1645. In addition sucrose cushion is said to be "not perfect enough to purify my virus, because other proteins derived from cells or FBS could be pelleted together with the virus" https://www.researchgate.net/post/What-is-the-difference-between-sucrose-gradient-ultracentrifugation-and-sucrose-cushion-ultracentrifugation-in-virus-purification-process

Looking at VR-1645:

This is the “genome” from the number in the History spec: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/D00239.1

This is the paper from the genome data sheet: https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/0022-1317-69-1-49#tab2

DNA sequencing was done by computer, not Sanger sequenced from a full virion particle, “...Nucleotide sequences…were collated and analysed using published computer programs.”

This is the “purification” reference from the above paper: https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/12/20/7859/2358668

It says, “Human rhinovirus…was propagated..in Ohio HeLa cells. The virus was purified [from] culture supernatant and centrifuging (100,000g, 4hours) through…sucrose gradient.”

They use the word “virus” even though there is no virus yet confirmed making their statement a fact before confirmation. Then they mix it with HeLa cells that have lots of genetic material. Unfortunately what was purified is unknown because there is no EM confirmation of the purification, no confirmation of pathogenicity, and no control sample. It’s just stated as fact.

Well…its now fuzzy science and blind faith, but I thank you Steve for giving me a chance to learn how virologists can cut BS into different shapes and serve it on a dish for human consumption.

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Dec 7, 2022·edited Dec 7, 2022Author

Your explanation stands.

It's a bit sad that, by now, everyone interested and intelligent enough (the rest wouldn't listen or couldn't hear, anyway) should know (e.g. Jon Rappoport explained it several times over the years) that what you told him is true. That includes him. Your explanation was thoroughly documented, but picking a fight where it couldn't be won didn't work...

As I said it before, I commented similar things several times on his site (without being personal, but inserting links to my articles instead of writing an exposition) and, strangely enough, never got banned or even warned. He even used one of my articles in one of his:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/asthma-and-traditional-vaccines-during

Moreover, I always "Like" his articles, when I comment on one, because he allows alternative ideas. I do the same on all sites that allow such comments and don't read sites that allow comments only if I pay (they steal enough of my ideas that are worth a lot more than any payments they could expect from me, anyway).

Not only virologists, but ALL corporate "scientists" and their subcontractors represent the same scam...

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Exactly with regards to always "liking" is how i do some of my own research. It gives me a door to read through the comments and to figure out who "the players" are;

Kirsch is a player; i have personally called him out on his "bets" for debate and how he insists on subscribing to the "virologists" theories and then calls them "his team of experts":

(why would anybody attempt to debate with a "team of experts"? to my way of thinking, an "expert" is someone who apparently knows all there is to know about whatever field of study/work/practise they are involved with. Just like Fauci, aka, The Science; i have another noun for "expert"; ARROGANCE, ie, the lack of being able to learn something new even when it stares you in the face);

i attempted to point out that we are way beyond arguing over whether a virus exists or not; move on. agree to disagree; just for note, i have researched that "theory" and as yet i have not come across anywhere that has isolated any virus; to the contrary, i have discovered patents for many "viruses" and any thinking Being would know (or should at least research) that one can not patent anything that is natural-[ly occurring];

i also pointed out that he keeps on "the vaccine" narrative when there is ample evidence that, A) the very definition of "vaccine" was changed in 2019, B) according to "science of medicine" a "vaccine can not be effective without having a sample of the bacteria involved to introduce a tiny fragment of into the blood of the host"; this is how people develop "antibodies" apparently; C) the "vaccines" existed BEFORE SARS-COV2 was even known to exist; there are patents that prove the "vaccines" came first;

Strangely enough i never got any direct replies from Steve; i had many from others; mostly supporting what i stated; 1 or 2 wanted to argue about the existence of "viruses" without ever being able to demonstrate proof; they just knew i was wrong apparently;

I think Steve does have good intentions but he is blinded by "experts" and the constant need to "put my money where my mouth is" to prove his point without ever questioning "how the hell did we get to this mess in the first place" which i feel is what Mankind desperately NEED to know;

Waking up the masses to "the agenda", Corporate pretend Governments, Inalienable Rights, Common Law and basically all else that has been usurped from People is where we are at; That is where our remedies out of this shit show lay

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Dec 7, 2022·edited Dec 7, 2022Author

The "covid" "virus" was patented in 2015, probably because that's how it was possible to patent "the cure," that is, the lethal injections, while keeping the ingredients secret as "intellectual property."

It is a problem that most people, who can think know that 9/11 was a false flag, but the resulting (un)Patriot(ic) Act is still in effect. People "know" stuff in vain, if they don't have the power to change things.

The only "remedy" I can see that would work is to remove all the corrupt governments and introduce a people's currency that has intrinsic value. Needless to say, that's not going to happen. Without these, total collapse is inevitable, either the way the globalists are planning or by removing the current rotten system. Fixing it inside would have as much chance as a thousand worms trying to fix a rotten apple from the inside. :)

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On social change, I think everyone will be interested in the recent country-wide anti-CCP protests in China:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRDLqggwQU

It seems organic, but is there a reason maybe why the the CCP would want to get this out? I dont know.

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Hi Mark, you make valid points. About Steve's "good intentions", Kirsch’s fund, the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund was administered by the Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors and has a few famous Globalist donors like: Elon Musk Foundation, Vanguard Charitable Fund, etc.

Hi is so illogical about some things the only thing that makes sense is that he is a paid bulldog on a leash, and whaddayaknow, it right on his Fund's HP: https://www.treatearly.org/donors

His handlers are pushing early "treatment" pills and here you can see there's a short part somewhere about dark dust in pills jumping up to a magnet (suggesting it's graphene): https://www.bitchute.com/video/1PDslsRRaPbx/.

His anti-vax stance is aimed at that group who believe in the virus but dont want the vax, they can have "death lite". This is high-level propaganda spin to increase the deaths, simple.

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As far as I know, he has also invested in sensitive elements of the plandemic...

Not receiving the injection, as far as I can see, is a side show, because there are so many delivery methods now, making most people completely uninformed and unprotected...

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Thank you for writing this I have spent the better part of 8 hours a day for the last year and 1/2 listening and reading about all the topics you discussed and more. I have found recently there are no new subjects or material and I know about everything that is being written. Covid was a bio weapon, the vaccine is a bio weapon and it all can be activated with 5g somehow. The politics of the world are so corrupt that all the ridiculous political advocates can do nothing to stop the machine. Voting is a farce and just a distraction. The evil doers are coming for the children and that is how they make the funds to do their evil. There is more but those are the main points. I have decided to stop listening to all of it and listen in audio book of the Bible instead. Funny everything that happened thousands of years ago is still going on today. God gives His believers the knowledge to make it through the storm. God told Anne Frank’s father to leave and go to America and he made his own plan. How did that work out? Listen to the Lord and He will show you the way.

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"the vaccine is a bio weapon and it all can be activated with 5g somehow"

Just a short note for you; seeing as you have done your research ( as people should have) you would no doubt of come across articles or videos pertaining to Graphene Oxide being an ingredient in the "vaccines" bio-weapons;

it has been demonstrated recently that this Graphene is Nano in size and that it travels to just about every organ in the body, including the Brain, encapsulated inside a hydrogel;

now with the introduction of 5G and even WiFi, this Graphene grows into "structures" killing off white blood cells as it does; i'm sure you know; no white blood cells, no immune system; it is in effect, activated by these frequencies so wherever there is a "congregation" of this Graphene collected in the body, that is where the "clotting" starts;

[T]he "clotting" itself is proving to be something that is not blood.....but that is another topic that is unanswerable (by myself) at this stage; Smarter people than i are still trying to figure what this "clotting" stuff is;

i hear you, the same people keep on going over the same subject[s] regarding the BioShots and not enough is being done to bring those accountable to front and centre;

stay in the fight; Good People are needed

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5G can also turn graphene oxide into graphene hydroxide, the indestructible razor blades that kill fast...

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I'm with you, Ray. "For me, it started and ended with the muzzle. I considered it a direct attack on my life". Kind of "Just shut the fuck up". But you Know? Life always finds its way. These people are very, very sick.

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same with me; along with "social distancing";

to my mind, there is NOTHING social about distancing oneself from others, especially seeing as [T]hey themselves kept on harking about "Herd Immunity";

too many contradictions for this Man

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Well I bet I have news today that I bet an oldie smilie face you could never have predicted.

The UK has signed a digital trade agreement with Ukraine to have interoperability and interchangeable UK mirroring of the Ukraine’s DIGITAL ID system. To make the Uk safer from digital crime (LOL as Ukraine is one of the most corrupt, criminal countries in Europe as well as a hot spot for sex trafficking ). And to assist Ukrainians (Aka Billionaire Oligarchs like the second biggest contributor to Tories who also owns Maj platforms for wind turbines atop the King’s shores) access to UK’s Financial systems. Aka money laundering to continue as before through City of London. The banks will get their own kickbacks from US Uk EU billions of funding sent to ‘support’ Ukraine. LOL. More for the ‘big guys’. After all TPTB have impoverished the west so they need to widen their nets for illicit gains.

Of course it’s not an Ukrainian digital system. It’s Rockefeller’s ID2020 supported by Gates and co (Hedge fund masters who are presently buying up Ukraine in a fire sale).

Apparently they’ve had to implement it via this trade deal because the British public aren’t keen on being tracked and traced nor passport ID systems.

But then rather than deal with cost of living crisis, failing schools and NHS, excess deaths, or fuel shortages, Billionaire Banker Sunak wants to focus on Technofascism.

Well, had you guessed this was how they’d implement Certificate Of Vaccination ID? Via Ukraine?

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I read so many different substacks by various individuals, it’s hard to know who is truthful and who isn’t. What is your opinion on Dr Malone and Dr Paul Alexander?

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An "opinion" is just that; An Opinion; most of us have one (or in my case. many)

Trust yourself and your intuition otherwise all you will hear is others Opinions

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My stance sould be clear from my posts. I am not an Oracle, so you have to decide for yourself. For further reference, here is my first post, when I started this Substack:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-can-be-done

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"...which reminds me of the orchestra playing, while the Titanic was sinking." - yes. Reasoning with depopulators is not working and won't.

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Yes.....Never let a good crisis go to waste;

funny (not) how the People of the world who were (are) highlighting all the wrongs and trying to steer people away from the trap[s] are public enemies according to those who successfully gaslight the majority;

Or are we now the majority?; there seems to be many, many more fighting the good fight than there was 2 years ago

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