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I think the lockdowns (and other restrictions) divided us, and maybe never to return to 'normal'.

I think I noticed a certain 'superiority'?, a certain smug criticism that we just weren't 'good enough'

to enter various establishments.

We had to travel a distance, and it was cold so we needed to use a hotel. Getting meals was hard,

and there was sometimes a sense of 'you're trash'. I took note of these places and won't

go to them today.

Another place quietly said they'd serve us if we'd agree to sitting out of the way, at the back,

and of course, we happily did that.

Lockdowns separated people, separated their positions, and definitely the powers do know far more

who their enemies are. We are their public enemy and want to consider this.

As you've often written, Ray, there's either no freedom in the system, or very little, might as well

be no freedom. In Canada, the head tried to bring in 'thought police' so they could know

when and where a crime was about to happen. Or, so they said.

Since they routinely let off criminals, and paid off terrorists, I think that reason was a false flag.

So, the lockdowns, I believe did a LOT for the elites, showing them who were the

'compliant slaves' who would pose no problem. They knew who the whistleblowers were,

and jailed some of those, giving them a criminal record for obeying our charter of rights.

And didn't it help some of us know where we stood? Didn't it spur you on, Ray, to write about

many things that were needed? This was caused.

Weren't the injustices right 'in your face', glaring and proud, like the entire pride thing in Canada

where they're marching for the kids. Kids have never been so targeted, so attacked as in

Canada that I know of. Parents are mostly furious. They've lost control of their own families.

Lockdowns opened the way to violate far more. Canadians, and I think US people too, just hadn't

faced such restrictions, and didn't know how to mobilize. Because we had to mobilize, and

have groups writing, and posting all over the place to let people know what it all meant.

I think many didn't know the meaning of any of it, and just hoped it would 'go away'.

It doesn't, it didn't and it won't.

We may have learned more ,and I believe we need 'sites' or blogs where we can 'gather', and

plan how to deal with what is going on. I'm not strictly talking 'opposing', or 'not complying' which

are fighting words. No, I mean collectively writing articles, putting up Youtube videos as a GROUP,

perhaps gettting lawyers who are themselves incensed to help us all with the laws.

Then begin to challenge their 'loose' interpretation of our laws and statutes.

Any backlash, which they'd SEE as opposing, (which it is not, but requesting clarification) would

cause HUGE reaction, and we'd have to be ready for this. But I think they'd pare back what

they were trying to do.

It is through our differences, our disagreements if we want to call it that, that we can

come up with the best plans to actually continue LIVING in the next while as things move

quickly to complete darkness.

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jean's avatar

if We are assets what asset protection is being offered???

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Tom Childs's avatar

I can relate to all of your experiences during the lockdowns....followed by PTSD which I used these past several years to outline the shape and trajectory of the Beast.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

The lockdowns had a serious effect on me, that of proving beyond any doubt that my government seeks to kill or comprimise as many as possible as quietly as possible. Every move they make is calculated to be detrimental to living beings, and this has been made extraordinarily clear. Such a gift, in a way.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

And in addition to that, every move they make harms in many ways...

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-end-game-has-begun-the-mass-murders

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Crixcyon's avatar

One word....tyranny.

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Edwin's avatar

Yep, tyranny.

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Gary’S's avatar

That was an excellent recap, Ray.

I didn’t use a medical-type mask, just a bandanna. I was only told once (when trying to shop for food) that it wasn’t enough and that I’d need a medical mask. I told the mask Nazi in charge of initial enforcement that I’d shop elsewhere.

Trump bragging about locking down the country is the main reason why I believe Trump is a gatekeeper for the ruling psychopaths. I have other reasons too, such as Trump’s association and trips with J. Epstein.

(Sorry for taking the discussion toward Trump. Mea culpa.)

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

My wife and I were lucky enough to live in rural Kentucky, where everyone is polite, and you know why. :)

Sheriffs left people alone, but in cities, the police were less respectful of constitutional rights.

Even here, conformity was appalling and the atmosphere was threatening.

Trump is only one of the insiders. He also participates in the current political theater.

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I have been exchanging comments with a true believer in Trump. She wrote that when the USSR collapsed, a hundred or so nuclear warheads went “missing”. She further commented that Trump was blackmailed into the lockdowns and Operation Warp Speed by the bad guys who have those nukes. It’s an interesting story and it goes to show what can be imagined in order to maintain one’s faith (or trust) in a political leader or hero.

We human beings are weird like that.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

I have a Christian friend who believes the Govt are using the Aliens 👽 as a distraction for when the “the ascending to heaven”, occurs .. & all the Christians disappear

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Gary’S's avatar

I don’t know about a pre-tribulation rapture. Frankly, I don’t know what to believe about saints disappearing and they’re needing to be an explanation from the government.

In the parable of the wheat and the tares, both are harvested at the same time. Or maybe I’m mistaken. I’m not much of a biblical scholar,

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JP Spatzier's avatar

I’m not either… I’m just passing along what her bible group believes. I’m not sure if I used the correct phrasing. Maybe I should have said the rapture 🤷‍♀️.

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Gary’S's avatar

No biggie. I just think it’s interesting. I’m trying to be less judgmental. “Let people believe what they want as long as they don’t act on their beliefs in ways that hurt others” is an attitude I’d like to cultivate.

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2FollowHim's avatar

Two workers in a field? He chose Paul to continue...eg. on agape, grace.

It's at 'the last trump', not many believes around?

Hunted, killed. The beast?

It's not so hard to weed out truths in Paul's work.

He encourages me how we can go wrong. Like

John the Baptist who was special. Look what happened.

Tares GATHERED UP. Large groups. On a wide path.

Make sure that's not us!!

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Gary’S's avatar

Thanks for the clarification about the order of the harvest. You’re correct about the term “rapture” being non-biblical.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

She must follow the Q Anon crowd. They believe he is actually still president & this is all a scam to arrest the traitors in Washington ... at this point that sounds as likely as the aliens 👽

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Gary’S's avatar

Yep. According to her (well, as much as I understand) Q is highly advanced technology. I guess that Q chose Trump. It’s an interesting story. I like simple stories, being a simpleton.

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Free Radical's avatar

Trump can't be blackmailed or extorted because he is a very wealthy, extremely successful businessman. Not at all compromisable.

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Free Radical's avatar

I try

But alas, it's only 3AM here. Worse answers are likely to arrive today.

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Supposedly it was nuclear blackmail. The baddies threatened American cities with nuclear weapons if Trump didn’t go along with lockdowns and warp speed. That’s why Trump said that he saved millions of American lives.

Interesting story. Believable? Who knows for certain.

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Gary’S's avatar

{chuckle} Probably so.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Is ANYONE "qualified" as a President? Politicians are selected, not elected, and they put on a show to convince people that it is their votes that count, which is never the case.

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Letsrock's avatar

Trump gave the States the decision making authority over lockdowns, Covid. Trump never travelled to Epstein Island or anywhere w JE. He booted JE out of Mar A Lago when he found out what he was up to. TRUMP WAS TO ONLY ONE TO COOPERATE W AUTHORITIES IN PROSECUTING JE. ASK CINDY MCCAIN. Get your facts straight.

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Cindy McCain went all Socialist after Trump provided her husband with a bit of constructive criticism. Some people are such ingrates!

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Letsrock's avatar

Have you ever heard her comment when asked about JE? "Everyone knew about him"...but no one,except Trump, did anything. What a dingbat moron. Her husband was a creep.

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Free Radical's avatar

JE? Japanese Encephalitis ?

Sounds like another 'virus' to me.

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2FollowHim's avatar

Oops, several times at the island. Look at those pictures.

Best buds until 2005, a falling out. Became a major enemy.

Epstein sued Trump for what he did.

Trump is nasty unless you're helping him. Biggest liar.

Great he'll end the war, huh? One day.

And I have a bridge to sell you?

Corrupt, but very savvy.

Just like Justin Trudeau who he despises.

And it's mutual.

But delusion is strong.

And some of what he SAYS is better, no doubt.

Look at his track record, before.

How he cleared the swamp.

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Letsrock's avatar

Never saw any pics of him there.

I'm not here to cure anyone's TDS.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Nonetheless, he started "Operation Warp Speed," which alone disqualified him as a legit player...

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2FollowHim's avatar

Even Biden wasn't that bad.

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Gary’S's avatar

It looks as if you and I are working with a different set of (so-called) “facts”.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

And just yesterday he was still pushing the vaccines as being best gift to humanity 🤯.

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2FollowHim's avatar

Uh, oh. He wants that $$$.

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Gary’S's avatar

By the way, I love the meme you chose for your avatar.

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Gary’S's avatar

Not so. I have been incredibly stupid at times, though.

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Different times. He ended association, actually Epstein did.

I read he was in sex business with Epstein, 1978-2000.

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Letsrock's avatar

HIS NAME IS NOWHERE ON FLIGHT LOGS. HES NOT A PEDO! JUST FACTS SON.

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Letsrock's avatar

Have you ever heard of doing your homework??? And if the Queen had balls she'd be the King. I research my resources, try it sometime fool. And btw, heed your own advice.

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

Two other giveaways for you:

1. He's a billionaire himself and

2. He got into politics.

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2FollowHim's avatar

He hides his finances more. Even Russian oligarchs won't lend him. He may have hidden assets, maybe broke.

I read He has a BIG personal loan due May, 2024.

So, he must win.

His doctor said he had 6 months to live? His diet.

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Gary’S's avatar

Too true, Captain.

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Jamie Leigh's avatar

That cartoon makes me sad.

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jean's avatar

Just a bit of gallows humor and is an acquired taste.

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Gary’S's avatar

Not only is it an acquired taste, but also it seems to me that it’s mood-dependent. Being moody myself, sometimes gallows humor is funny and sometimes I’m offended.

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Jamie Leigh's avatar

Not only acquired taste and mood dependent but also varies by topic. Animal subjects will always make me sad. Yes, I know that no cows were harmed in that meme. It's just the thought. The stark reality of innocence harmed and of ignorance which also harms. I don't know. I'm all for gallows of the human sort though!

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Gary’S's avatar

“No bovines were harmed by the production of this meme.” 😅

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

Gee.. in consideration of the treatment I got in at least 3 businesses during that abomination? It makes me inandescent with fury.

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Gary’S's avatar

Yeah. The futility of it all.

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David Poe's avatar

The Five Rules of Propaganda

1. The rule of simplification - reducing all data to a simple confrontation between 'Good and Bad', 'Friend and Foe'.

2. The rule of disfiguration - discrediting the opposition by crude smears and parodies.

3. The rule of transfusion - manipulating the consensus values of the target audience for one's own ends.

4. The rule of unanimity - presenting one's viewpoint as if it were unanimous opinion of all right-thinking people: draining the doubting individual into agreement by the appeal of star-performers, by social pressure , and by 'psychological contagion'.

5. The rule of orchestration - endlessly repeating the same messages in different variations and combinations.

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David Poe's avatar

I probably would be. I'll check them out.

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Gary’S's avatar

RE rule #1: Data needs to be critically analyzed to determine information. Information needs to be critically analyzed to determine knowledge. Knowledge needs to be critically and intelligently analyzed to determine wisdom. Wisdom needs to combine with praxis and phronesis.

Although I’m not an advocate of (so-called) “environmental philosophy”, this is an interesting article imo explaining wise doing. https://ian.umces.edu/blog/its-all-greek-to-me-the-terms-praxis-and-phronesis-in-environmental-philosophy/

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It’s an addiction.

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If I blocked you, it didn’t work. I can still read your messages and reply to them.

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Is “stillness” & “simply feeling” working out well for you? If so, good for you and good for stillness and good for simply feeling.

“Are you still messing people about?” What on earth are you referring to? If you’re referring to me making serious mistakes in personal relationships, then the answer is “Yes”.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

That’s me .. right now 🤪🤪🤪

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Gary’S's avatar

I do plenty more reading than writing (comments), but I get lost in thought plenty of times. Should I be walking the lakeshore? Hiking the woods? Getting ticks? Getting pooped on by seagulls?

🙂

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We fish

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Gary’S's avatar

“Why shouldn't you get lost in thought?” I ought to and I do.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

Lol. I just looked at the comic 😂😂

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Showed those in charge what a bunch of sheep 🐑 their populations are

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It makes me itch. Lol. I’m sorry for the insult to the sheep. They are much smarter than the humans.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I remember members of aboriginal communities in the north were hunted down and force-"vaccinated"...

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Gary’S's avatar

“Anyways; everyone take care. We're going to win this fight!”

Yep. Endurance and resilience required.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

It's also three and a half here and going strong.

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Pamela Raditsch's avatar

Yes, heart-wrenching for me too. Something similar with one of our three adult children

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