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Thats dumb, are you citing the source in a peer-reviewed study?

Then why would you buy sodium citrate from a chemical supply house?

It is Sodium Bicarbonate, Citric Acid and Water. You can make ounces yourself on the stove for like $10.

It also dissolves alginate hydrogels, and some lipid nanoparticles, since ALA and Citrate are used in the production of LNPs. It also allows the proteolytic activity of bromelain to extend further into your gut rather than all dissolving in your stomach.

And if you have the skin covered bumpy patches on your skin, they will go away over time if you take Sodium Citrate. Its really just the salt of citric acid, so you can get natural citrate just by drinking fresh orange juice if you have a sodium problem, although far less of course.

Make it yourself, dont buy it from a vastly overpriced and quite possibly poisoned chemical supply house... most of those products arent even supposed to be ingested and often say so, as you illustrate.

Because they are Research Chemicals and peer-reviewed research need a reproducible chain of custody.

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For name-calling, I usually ban commenters.

Your actual argument doesn't hold water. You might want to read before voicing your opinion:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/is-sodium-citrate-good-for-you

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Haha, its your page, as you wish. I already Know the things I am telling people about, its not a Theory so no skin off my teeth.

Although tbh, I didnt call You dumb, I said its dumb to buy chemicals you intend to ingest from a chemical supply house because it IS but meh, words.

I already read it, of course, so I recommend you Re-Read my reply and then I wont have to type it out again.

Sodium Citrate works great, you can make it yourself, little-to-no side effects or interactions and has multiple uses related to dissolving nanotechnology you missed in your hit-piece.

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You know what? I came to the half of this article and saw how the only solution to it is:

Big industry needs to be destroyed.

End of story!

Or it gets worse and worse AND WORSE . . . . . .

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Big industry is owned by those, who control the global money supply. Destroying it would stop all production and distribution and would result in unbelievable carnage, amounting to billions in a few weeks...

And yes, the world is going to end up there, no matter what.

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Thanks for all of your info. After I recently read Agent131711 articles about Vitamin D is rat poison, and other articles, I think he’s correct, all of these chemically made vitamins are poisoning us slowly. I’ve switched to Garden of Life multi vitamins, and their Vitamin C, which they say are all made of whole food, not chemicals.

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Feb 18Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

That's funny. As I was reading the headline, which brought me to your site, I was thinking "this chemical engineer says ALL chemicals are bad for you. Every one; medications, the pill, cosmetics, hairspray, aftershave, fly spray, the crap added to food as 'E' numbers..." I could go on. And I see your mother was one too.

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It does look like everything synthetic is bad on some way.

While I am not completely incompetent in chemistry and biology, they are not my forte; I am a "cognitive scientist," mostly an independent linguist and AI researcher (never sold my knowledge, because I didn't want to empower those who hire people with my credentials).

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its simple ,,, we all are poisoned.... the elite pshycos have " secret advanced medicines that protect them .... dear God of goodness and truth pklease help us all return/ turn to goodness truth love and grace ...

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Feb 17Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

oh good I was hoping you would follow up on the the sodium citrate. I got some also MB, but now solely rely on muscle testing to let my body tell me if this is something I need or not, mostly my body says not.

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It's a synthetic product, and the same chemical compound can be beneficial (under certain circumstances) or deadly, depending on its chrystal and/or molecular structure. I don't think there is anything out there for me to find, but one of my maxims is, "whatever can be done, someone will do it." Especially with the circus around SC, it is suspicious at best.

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Appreciate your dive into this. 💕.

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It's good to know it might help.

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Feb 17Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Quoting you: "The author requires paid subscription to comment, but there is not much to add to his texts". I would like to say that I am an unpaid follower of the substack you mention and I can and have commented on some of the articles so they are not all paid sub comments only.

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Feb 17Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

I too noticed the comments from paid subscribers only.

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Strange, I was also able to comment after the methylene blue article today, but I wasn't allowed after the B12 or the D3. Anyway, I only wanted to praise it.

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Feb 17Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

I read the Agent's first long breakdown of Vit. D. Needless to say I am totally blown away. My D3 has exactly what he says to stay away from - rat poison, so these are going in the garbage. Thanks for sending his link, because I have a sh*t load of vitamins here and I am going to read his deep dives. The naturo doc I work with is out of NC and the only vitamin company he recommends is Standard Process because their vitamins are supposed to come from real food. (located here in Wisconsin too) I hope you would bless us with a deep dive on that company before I spend any more money. BTW - the Vit. D3 I take I bought from a "vitamin shop" and its not Std. Process either. Thank You, Ray!

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Feb 26Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Standard Process ain't what it use to be, i can't remember exactly why i put it on the corrupted company list yet probably having silica as an ingredient. Silica and silicone dioxide is a rabbit hole. For starters theres been a social engineered movement to call silica a binder for detoxing in general. It's beyond ridiculous how people hce situated it in rhe mind about how sand-like material will absorb and mobilize toxins out of the body. Silica is actually a anti-binder. The reason its been orcastrated to be the "go-to binder" is because it is used as raw material to be the other half of the chemtrails psyop to assemble ans build the transhumanism nano tech inside all of us, at this point. Think silicone valley. They put silica in everything. i know its the most abundant mineral in the world and maybe the human body? i would need to double check that...yet its been weaponized along with others like diatomaceous earth, Benedict clay, zeolite, TRS spray (nano sized silica), charcoal, and just throwinf this out there Carbon 60 aka C60 and Shilajit Resin just to name a few of the more popular ones people are brain washed into thinking mostly that these are binders or supportive to the body. They are used as raw material for building an internet inside the human body and God only knows what. Theres a creepy doc that says he is looking to break break the soul through medicine. These people are insane. They are mapping the brain and have also found a way to siphon / energy harvest human neurons out of the body and have put them in to Ai, nonconsensually. See Obama's brain initiative project. Of course there is a butcher-number breaking point of death to the human test subject.

i just looked at some standard process labels and although i didnt see any silica, there are many synthetic vitamins as the other ingredients.

i found out about Agent131711's phenomenal research and articles on substack via a telegram group i am a member of called ivermection killz.

so its nice to be here and to meet all of you and read your insights. what a collection of smart and informed caring people! i feel so comfortable and blessed to be here.

another active psyop is salt

did you all know that unless it specifically says non-irradiated, then it is radiated and under a magnifying glass (and slightly moistened), it glows blue

redmonds is the worse

alot of it including redmonds salt has been contaminated with dynamite used to harvest it

i tested all the salt i had in my home and found all of them to be glowing

i then tested my potassium chlorite and magnesium chloride (i got from Lab Alley that came wirh 3rd party lab tests papers for purity), Epson salt, and Niacin from pure bulk in Seattle

All of them we irradiated

I have since then, found Greenway Biotech company that has products for the garden and for humans to not radiate their products

i found 2 companies that have non-irradiated salt

one is frontier: cost is $30 per pound

and the other is primal palate: cost is $10 per pound

and thats the one i use and i order it off evil amazon

did you know bill gates supposedly is working on ice substitute and wants to remove table salt off the American market, who knows if that will ever happen

I don't think Celtic salt is any big deal with its 92 minerals because they are so minuscule in their amount that it does not even register practically

plus there's the issue with micro plastics

I'm not really into trying to figure out the Himalayan salt due to the dynamite issue of contamination and heavy metals

Did you know the pink in the salt might be ancient shrimp and crustaceans?

I'm not 100% sure about that

So I use primal pallet kosher salt

I don't even know where they sourced that but it's on my to do list to find out

Then come in the question how much salt should we take?

5-6 g a day sounds adequate to me

because if you think about it we're pretty salty

Our skin salty are sweats salty are blood salty, or spit salty our tears are salty

I'm also a firm believer in distilled water only to be consumed because it is the cleanest water

I do not believe in mixing minerals in water as a way to absorb them, because the opposite is true in my humble opinion

It's a true challenge to get pure distilled water even if you distilled yourself or buy it distilled because remember all those train derailments with the chemicals spilling a year or so ago?

It was averaging two a week across the United States for a long time like a year

They spilt there PFAS forecer chemicals into our waterways and contaminated, pretty much most surface water

Have you noticed rainbow bubbles on your coffee before you put in cream?

have you noticed rainbow bowls on beer?

You can get the forever chemicals out with the right yet who can figure that out? I'm currently buying my water by the ounce.

thanks for the space to share

-Ally W of the Blue Ridge Mountains in North Georgia, USA from South GA

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While we are at it, let me note that "organic" produce is also irradiated, just like milk, with UV, which sterilizes it so that people cannot plants seeds from it. It also loses some of its nutritional value, which is not much to begin with, if it's hydroponic (which is accepted as "organic").

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That gives me a lot to find out and think about.

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Feb 26Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

I really appreciate your input, Ally. I noticed that since I stopped taking that Vit. D, my left hand stopped shaking. Even my right hand was starting to get small tremors. Your comment about Std. Process is most interesting. But because of Agent, I am now looking at the MSDS data to find out whats toxic and not. There are tons of supposed "natural health" professionals out on the Internet and I can't believe all the BS I'm now seeing. Lets face it, there are toxins in everything. I don't care how organic you think you are; the air, ground, and water is so polluted with chemicals. Its most impossible to get away from them all.

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Glad you've find it helpful. Even natural stuff needs to be processed, which makes it different from its original form. Water and fat-soluble are only the tip of the iceberg; absorption, as far as I can see, requires specific circumstances, too. Food "science" also overestimates the need for this or that, and the body is incredibly efficient most of the time, taking and using what it needs from nearly out of nothing. Of course, I can be wrong, but that's how I see it for the time being.

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Feb 17Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

With all the chemicals in our air, water, and soils, how does one really buy or grow any food these days thats organic?

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Citric acid (synonym of sodium citrate) is in canned tomatoes and other canned foods.

B-vitamins are in enriched flours.

No wonder we have so many gut issues, these poisons are everywhere.

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citric acid is combined with sodium bicarbonate and water, reduced then to produce sodium citrate.

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In the last 8-10 months, I have seen a global "epidemic" of gastric ulcers and gut problems that the "medical" field cannot identify (they usually resort to the term "syndrome," when they don't know what they are talking about). In a large city hospital a few months ago, about 300 patients, between the ages of 3 and 80, were "treated" for such symptoms. I am positive that this is a combination of nanoparticle-poisoning, radiation signals/exposure, and altered proteins. The last one would be the highest priority, because it's been "researched" (meaning military-grade R&D) at least since the 1960s, and perhaps it could be disabled the most easily, breaking the chain of global control:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/ai-makes-the-world-go-round

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Re Gastric Ulcers: What is the literature or Qualitative data saying?

Baking soda is a secondary for some, in water, but a product called Stomach Soothing Compound…can settle down the inflammatory bloated stomach and pain within 10 to 15 min. It!s the recurrence, never knowing what exactly is causing it that is frustrating and worrisome Difficult to rule things out.

Gastric Ulcer symptoms can just be the precursor to stomach cancer. Unresolved ulcers are just that.

I think it!s the poisons in air, food and water, but also the 5G devices we tuck too close to our researching bodies. (And time spent.)It’s an insidious plan to lace the earth with Satellites and almost every house has those multi-directional Smart Meters. With the Turbo Cancer, inundating the victim with sources of CANCER IS A GREAT CAMOUFLAGE, and good for destroying the will to live. The sound from all that frequency contamination is significant,if you have the heavy metals to be the antennae.

Suggestion: Fix a room and your body with as good of a Radiation Shield you can and notice the symptoms like fatigue, headache and digestion. You are the experiment.

Return your tasteless fruit to the stores until they get the picture. Picked while green means little to no enzyme action for digestion and nutrition. Low nutrition profile = Vulnerable population.

Why are the people not in the streets or revolting and not going to work until ALL CHEMTRAILING IS SHUTDOWN, AND THE CRIMINALS BEHIND IT ARRESTED, TRIED AND HUNG? APATHY IS KILLING US.

Note : One reputable Supplement Company writes the amount of Cyanocobalamin in their Multivitamin is less than in an almond?

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

I sometimes look at the ingredient labels for various food products and like most doctors these days, I am baffled. I have started looking at the chemicals in vitamins, which I take daily. Some of those ingredients are kind of iffy to me. Like sunflower seed oil in K2-M7? Seed oils are supposed to be harmful, but is this?

I never take any big pharma drugs, not even OTC, except in extreme cases. I think all big pharma drugs are substances that can murder your body and therefore kill you. I don't regularly come into contact with many household and cosmetic products. I have bought a few "green" cleaning products, but I am no chemist.

What about herbs? I take several in tincture form and would guess these to be mostly safe. Certainly better than any big pharma garbage.

The vitamin thing needs further thinking and investigation. It would be a money saver to give them up or at least most of them. Like a knucklehead, I would read an article about this vitamin or that mineral and then go buy some. Is there any truth to this vitamin thing or is it another example of being marketed to death?

The real problem is that no matter what you are eating, you don't really know what amounts, if any, of vitamins and minerals you are getting and putting to good use. You can test for some but not most. But that can be inconclusive. I guess since I am not dead nearing age 74, I am doing a few things right. But which ones? I have no clue and neither does medical science or anyone else.

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

i've been performing a self experiment since last june/july time. i stopped taking all supplements. i stopped eating all fruit, and pretty much all veg, and stopped all grains. i never ate pulses anyway as they cause me intense gut problems. i've cut out pretty much all types of food that do not resemble their natural form. so essentially i'm very low carb living on mostly fat from dairy and animal sources, and protein.

result: i do not have scurvy, i have not been sick this winter with a cold/cough etc. i do not feel any ill affect from not eating fruit and veg in the huge quantities that we are encouraged to eat 'for our health'. i therefore do not produce half as much 'waste product' if you get my drift, as most of what i consume is actually utilised by my body. as far as i'm concerned taking supplements or any other man made substance 'for our health' is complete nonsense.

the push for a plant based diet (most of which is synthetic crap made in factories) is a recipe for disaster and it is intentional, like all the shit advice we get from the so called 'experts'. i now do the opposite of what is recommended.

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That alone demonstrates that "nutrition science" is globalist propaganda...

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it would appear that some of us at the very least, are wired to metabolise better with minimal or no carbs, but instead high fat and moderate protein.

when thinking about 'fresh produce', see how tempting all the hybrised fruits look in the grocers stores. all those appealing colours, the sweet taste. these fruits are all 'man made' resultant of years of cross breeding/GMO practices and full of sugar which we do not need, be it in a 'natural' form inside a fruit, or not.

the same applies to the veggies we are encouraged to eat. no sugar, but 'full of fibre' and 'phytonutrients'. well, fibre we are unable to digest and it just causes issues (it certainly did for me) and gets chucked out the other end, causing excess work for the bowel in the process (also causing chronic conditions that disappear when plants are eliminated - crones, ulcerative colitis).

everyone should avoid gluten at all costs, its responsible for immense damage to our health mental and physical. take a look at: Grain Brain by Perlmutter - its extensively referenced but aside from that makes total sense to me being a logical thinker.

we are in dangerous times in relation to our food supply (and not only that) due to corporate greed, man's stupidity and hubris believing it is above the forces of nature, and natural disasters which are the consequence of the cyclical nature of the earth we live on. watch the chaos continue to rise.....

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It does look like it's more important what NOT to consume than what to ingest (inhalation and skin exposure matter, too).

I've also found that promoting fiber intake is a dangerous fad or, more likely, "medical" propaganda. On the other hand, the recent astronomical increase of peptic ulcers and the like are likely to be caused by nanoparticle-poisoning.

In the 1930s, European flour was crossed with North-American grass, making US wheat less suitable for human consumption than European wheat. "Celiac disease" and "gluten sensitivity" are probably nothing more than the body having been conditioned to reject gluten, too, throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

In my experience, the body needs VERY little and makes the best of it:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/to-eat-or-not-to-eat

As long as the body can maintain its internal balance, it's all set:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-makes-people-sick-apart-from

Other than that, I am planning to write an article on adaptation.

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OTC is often obviously toxic. For instance, a few years ago, I read about a young woman who needed a liver transplant after a single Tylenol.

Absorption can certainly be a problem, either because it happens or because it doesn't. :)

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I don't think I have had any Tylenol in 25-30 years since I seldom get a headache, thankfully.

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

I have been reading Agent's articles too for the last few weeks. It helped me make the final decision not to take anymore vitamin supplements. I stopped taking them about a year ago. I have doubted vitamins for years because they are synthetic lab made products.

I think I will stick to my Turmeric, Ashwaghanda, etc... I buy the whole root and grind it in a blender. It may not be totally free of metals and poisons either because who knows what is in the soil where they grow??

I also have some extracts of turmeric, maca root, ashwaghanda, etc...and I may not take those anymore because who knows what poisonous chemicals were used in the extraction process? Damn near everything in our world is poisonous these days.

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

I’m a dietitian and this is how I’ve lived my whole life. Never took medicine, vitamins, supplements- not because I feared them exactly, but because they never interested me. I know that sounds weird. It never occurred to me to take something “fake” when I was happy making ginger tea or sitting by the sea if I felt unwell. I was a WEIRD kid, obsessed with nature and plants and not so much with humans. Nothing’s changed. And I’m almost never sick- middle aged now.

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A reader recommended agent to me and my first encounter was only yesterday. It seems to be one of the good stacks.

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It looks like some kind of inflammation is present in nearly everyone. As it is "only" a symptom, the root cause(s) need to be tracked down, but there are tens of thousands of potential candidates, and their interaction is hardly ever considered. I expressed my concern about the latter already in June, 2022, but the problem hasn't received ANY public attention:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/activators

Even "doctors" don't calculate the increased risk of poisoning children with several "vaccines" all at once. About two years ago, I witnessed an 11-year-old receiving 11 (!) "vaccines" in a single visit... These "healthcare professionals" are nothing but hired killers:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/hired-killers

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there's precious little holistic medicine (and knowledge thereof) available. old-time herbalists will know of remedies, but where are they and can we ask them to share their knowledge? Ayurveda, diet and individual paths to treatment/healing are important, while we have to do away already with the 'one size fits all'-approach.

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good idea! try collecting some of the older works from the '40s and '50s or before: that way one can be more sure of original, uncompromised texts from our grandmothers' times. mine's a beautifully illustrated reprint of a European guide to medicinal plants from 1952.

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Nice work here Ray.

Passed this over to Agents recent piece on Methelyne Blue toxicity.

I am receiving many questions on Sodium Citrate.

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I am mostly concerned about undisclosed ingredients (as in the case of the latest versions of IVM) and potential chemical reactions with common toxins/chemicals (especially with ones that can make it in the blood or the bone marrow).

A spectroscopic analysis would be most welcome...

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A couple of years ago, before it was "allowed," I tried IVM as intended: 150mg for 180lbs body weight on a single occasion. It didn't do a thing.

There hasn't been any need for "vaccines" for a good while, because delivery systems are extremely versatile:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/no-need-for-any-more-vaccinations

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I posted Agent’s article about vit D in the community notes and many people were on my sheeit for pointing out the chemicals and crap in these vitamins. Are they that naive? Like Markker I’ve stopped taking mine but searching for legit vitamins not made in China or India.

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My liver detoxifies so quickly that I used to need four times the amount of Lidocaine at the dentist twice as often as average patients, while Lidocaine still wasn't containing nanoparticles... It is probably the reason why "vitamins" never did anything for me, and I stopped several years ago, but at that time, I simply wanted to rely on natural ingredients from my ancestors' diet, and didn't want to develop dependency on stuff that my body should make on its own.

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I used contrast to find out I needed supplements, like I was the experiment subject. The difference in energy, placenta health and surviving cancer and Lyme were a few things Ican’t deny…

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Glad you brought up the dentist Ray. So what’s the solution when your dentist wants to give you x-rays and put all that metal and nano crap in your mouth? I just moved to new area area so I have to pick a dentist and I’m hoping I can find a holistic one at least a dentist who understands what’s going on.

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Dental surgeons and holistic dentists can resort to laughing gas, but that's only another pharmaceutical product. Even dental swabs can contain the nano... Extracting teeth at home is difficult and risky, because teeth with cavities can be extremely fragile, and the fragility can also be personal and increase with age. I have raised the question before, but not much came out of it in the comment sections:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-are-the-alternatives-for-dental

Maintaining dental health"

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/how-to-maintain-tooth-health

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

I was told NOT to floss by a natural dentist. He said that it shoves the bacteria up into the gums & CAUSES infections that can move to other parts of the body.

He said to use a FINGER toothbrush w/ coconut oil/ BS/ Sea salt & essential oil.

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When I had my last major dental work done in 2008, the dentist told me that flossing was more important than brushing. Well, my teeth are tight. Using Waterpik, which should do the same, but haven't noticed any cause for concerns in recent years.

Another dentist decades ago told me that toothpaste is not needed. Considering what's in toothpastes, that's a good idea. I personally don't use anything, but water. The mouth flora must be allowed to do its job.

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Funny you should bring up water pick, I threw mine away cuz I have well water that is contaminated. I was researching buying a new one & came across some info regarding changing out the plastic lines due to MOLD & Bacteria growth from setting water. Just a tip ....

I agree that our body is set up to "take care of business".

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

It’s seeming like we are particularly fucked when it comes to dentistry

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Feb 17Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

yep, i had root canal removal 2.5 yrs ago and serious problems ever since, pretty sure I have also been poisoned by the anaesthetic injections and had real health problems this last year. Worst mistake ever and this guy was supposed to be a natural dentist.

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It surely scares the living daylight out of me.

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Okay, I need to give a limited defence of B12. Right on the bottle it has cyanocobalamin listed, so you know, or should know, that cyanide is part of the manufacturing.

Now then. It's not for everyone. But if you're one of those unfortunate souls whose body doesn’t produce intrinsic factor, which causes pernicious anaemia, you're going to have to shoot up with B12 regularly- or die. So don't stop the shots!

However, depending on what country you live in, ask the local chemist if you can buy the stuff and syringes yourself. I was pleasantly surprised that you can do that in Canada - the doctor told me you couldn't- leading to frequent office visits (money for them), and then covid happened and it was telemedicine only.

It's really not difficult to do it yourself.

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Strangely, my wife said, when I was showing her the draft that B12 usually gives her an energy boost. I was wondering if the tiny amount of poisoning (which, of course, adds up and joins other forms of poisonings) stimulates her energy reserves, much in the way bloodletting made patients recover in the Middle Ages.

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isn't there a connection between B12 (deficit) and menstruation?

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

These “treatments” could also have a placebo effect to them.

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The placebo effect went up from 30 percent around 1990 to over 60 percent in the early 2010s...

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An increased belief in medications? Better pharma brainwashing?

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You wouldn’t believe how often I hear patients saying, “You have my full trust, doctor. You know what you are doing.”

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Interesting that apricot seeds contain cyanide & people use them as part of a natural cancer treatment.

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Your user name is awesome!

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✨👍🏼✨ Thank You :)

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Feb 16Liked by Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)

Its not the same type of cyanide they use to intentionally poison people. The molecular composition is a little different in Apricot seeds.

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Now that you are saying it, I tend to remember, too. :)

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Oh, I did not know, Thank You!

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Indeed.

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I've read Agent's deep dives into vitamins. It's quite shocking reading and I'm now refraining from taking them. I suppose most of us thought these were somehow extracted from plants/fish etc., rather than chemical substitutes.

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For me, it was good to see a few specific reasons why pharmaceutical products are dangerous at best.

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And, most likely, parent companies under Vanguard, Blackrock, etc.

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The investment firms seem to rotate ownership internationally in order to be impossible to follow and to stay away from taxes.

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