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GeoffPainPhD's avatar

You might like to look at various aspects of DMSO lethality and genotoxicity and how I received encouragement from Elon Musk AI called Grok to supply it with more Case Reports

https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/grok-apologizes-to-me-over-dmso-deaths

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Sorry, my previous reply has been amended; once you respond, I'll delete this one.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Pinned!

As you are not allowing comments after your article, I am unable to promote it any further. (A few fellow authors are giving me free lifetime access, because everything on my stack is free, and they feel I deserve it.)

Of course, one can always say it's a cover-up:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-open-message-deception

Please, always use a sentence or two to introduce links! :)

It's good stuff! :D

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GeoffPainPhD's avatar

Thanks Ray, I see you have access to 6 stacks.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I guess so. And I haven't paid for any, because I think it's fair. The only exception was "Rappoport" for two months this year, only to ascertain this is not he anymore, or he has always been an agent...

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GeoffPainPhD's avatar

You can always reply to my Notes and posts on X.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Or I can send you a message here.

My point was that I wanted to advertise your article here in a Note.

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damon mcclure's avatar

Rappoport?

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Yes, Jon. It looks like he has been replaced by AI.

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damon mcclure's avatar

Who's Jon? I don't know either name tbh.

Perhaps like the nudge unit members, they get buy in and than pass you to an algorithm to waste your time

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ABIGAIL REPORTS's avatar

CDC Fumbled Safety Monitoring of COVID Vaccines, New Report Says. Critics Call Fixes ‘Too Little, Too Late’.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-fumbled-safety-monitoring-covid-vaccines-new-report-critics-call-fixes-too-little-too-late/

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

CHD is not a reliable source for anything, except for a few limited hangouts... It's funny that this time it's even in their title. :)

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Carmen's avatar

You are doing a great job, Ray. It's just that I'm very busy since 2024 looking for am exit to my broken economy...

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markelam's avatar

Hello, Ray, I am writing for the first time in response to your request for

"Likes".

I can only speak for myself and the people I speak to most frequently, but there seems to be a wave sweeping many of us that finds us less willing to engage with information and news as much as we have been for the past five years. I don't believe that hiding my head in the sand will improve anything outside of me, but I also know for certain that my health and emotional balance are deeply affected by taking in the ugliness and sub-human atrocities being reported all day, every day.

I have been taking a much needed media "fast". I may look over the subject lines in my inbox, but rarely open anything lately. This is the best way for me to return to myself, to stay connected to higher resources, and to avoid feeling devastated and made ill on the regular.

I am grateful for your work, and if my bodywork and yoga therapy practice of 40 years had not been shuttered permanently in March of 2020 as a result of "pandemic pandemonium" in California, I would have resources I would happily contribute to grounded, insightful writers like yourself.

As it stands I was forced to move out of state (which I do not regret, but the economic impact was enormous at this stage of life and am just now reinventing my professional offering. I do very much appreciate your courage, intelligence and dedication.

Like Like Like!

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

What matters is that you are still authentic. Not a whole lot of people can say that about themselves after trying to justify their behavior during the plandemic.

For that matter, I hardly read anything beyond the headlines, thanks to the Kirk psyop, when lots of "alt" authors gave themselves away.

It's good to know that I am not alone; your courage, intelligence, and dedication are with me, too. Somehow, we all belong together, and the strength provided comes along, kind of like the reason why humans, according to my sister who died at 32 in 96, wondered about:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/why-are-humans-still-around-part

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markelam's avatar

Thank you for your generosity of spirit, Ray. I will read this piece, promise. I spend much of my time noticing what has meaning and heart, and am drawn closer to others who do the same. You are clearly cut from this cloth.

I recently attended a local appearance of an ex pat American writer who is touring the US, planning a book inspired by what people say they are seeing and feeling around them. It was heartening that most of the 'boomer' crowd expressed awareness of the need for a spiritual identity and practice, rather than a political identity. My sense has always been that political solutions are inherently incapable of resolving conflict or providing what humans really need; politics is born of and dependent on conflict.

There is a resurgent embrace of spirit afoot. Many, many people are returning to their childhood religion, that which is familiar and therefore feels safe. If it is based on belief and faith alone, I see this as another external to which we might be tempted to turn over self responsibility. For myself, spiritual life has always been based in fully felt experience and practiced in real life, more than once a week. This is what sustains my heart, my life. It is what tells me it's time to take a break from consuming conflict, chaos, and confusion.

Your request reminded me to offer at least moral support of your own heart and life. May all go well with you.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

In my experience, faith can ONLY be based on personal experience. If there was no such thing, there is nothing to return to, but it might evolve. I'm sure nobody is totally abandoned, but must keep at least one eye and, perhaps, one ear open. :)

Thank you for your support.

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currer's avatar

My last post is one of my most important ones, and in 24 hours, it has received 28 “Like”s. I do understand that many readers can’t afford to support my wife and me (the readership nearly tripled, but the daily support of about $11 remained the same in the last two years), can you at least encourage me by “Like”ing my work, please?

This discussion may help you. Many substack writers are complaining of strange statistics for their subscriptions.

https://debbielerman.substack.com/p/is-substack-a-censored-platform

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Recently, I cannot even access the statistics on my "subscribers" (everything here is free, but subscribers can receive e-mails that "followers" can't).

SS is now relegating my questions to an AI that is dumber than my dog would be, if I had one. :)

Obviously, I am a bit placed on the back burner, but I am not alone:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/am-i-getting-cut-off-are-you

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RESONANCE Collective's avatar

I got your email but had no notification beforehand for these posts, Ray. Sorry <3

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Yup, I am being buried alive. :)

At least, it's with my last friends in this world!

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/am-i-getting-cut-off-are-you

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Laura's avatar

You are one of two persons I trust fully enough to take advice without question. The other is Patrick Jordan. Your articles removed any doubts I had regarding DMSO despite all the positives review articles for DMSO I had previously read. Thank you.

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Toxi🇨🇦's avatar

Ray! I read this article the day it came to my email but I forgot to hit that like button! Dear friend, I apologize! 🙏🏻 😔

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Sorry even about asking, but it looks like SS has been placing me on the back burner for quite some time. If it weren't for my readers, this stack would have no more readers! :)

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Michelle C's avatar

Ray, I LOVE your work. I read you nearly every day and you are probably my favourite author here. I apologise for not being able to be a paid subscriber as I am on the verge of homelessness, living in a camper with nowhere to go when the campground closes in less than 2 weeks. I will continue to devour your every piece with insatiable curiosity and enthusiasm and the moment I can afford to even buy you a coffee, you have my word I will do just that.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

YOU are my reader and your feelings bring tears into my eyes. Yes, the strong can afford to cry. :)

Don't worry about the money... We don't have it, anyway! :)

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C Woody's avatar

Great deduction Ray. I worked for years in the piping industry in pulp and paper mills and know exactly where dmso is derived from and when I was reading articles by so many alternative madical “experts” advising people to drink this or apply it to their bodies, I was dumbfounded but not shocked. We used to be exposed to these dimethyl sufides and worse on a regular basis and it definitely messes you up. The inhalation is damn near as bad. You may as well just guzzle straight turpentine. Not many of the guys I worked with from those days are still on the right side of the grass. Liver and pancreatic cancer were the big two. I’m not saying that it is related because I’m no “expert” but reasoning might suggest. Not sure how I was spared up to this point, but nothing but gut issues ever since and they never resolved. As you mentioned.. it’s a gluten issue or it’s ulcers of whatever sort is what the medicine men deduce. So I believe you are on to something here. Anything with a “lene” in the name of the product should probably not be ingested. Just saying.

Now health Canada is close to banning all natural health products, so the folks who believe in these so called remedies are going to be sourcing them from who knows where. Maybe that’s health Canada’s plan. Speed up the poisoning process

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Sounds like a pretty lucid evaluation of the proceedings.

As you know, I don't believe in experts. Everyone, including me, must prove themselves every step of the way.

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Igor's avatar

Things are a bit more complicted.

1. Body already "knows" how to deal with toxins - it encapsulates them and traps them in the fat.

2. DMSO is double edged sword, it is a transport molecule, it will transport (if you mix it with something) much more efficiently into the body than the "normal" routes. However DMSO is not magic! it has limited carring capacity, it can not do what you are saying. There is simply not enough of it. I do not think anybody actually bathes in DMSO?!

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Please, reconsider.

1. The intracellular "contamination" (aka. poisoning) is outside the body's inherited "immune memory," and normally, it would take several generations to develop something like that, except that this time, the changes emerged in a few decades and, most recently, just a few years.

2. DMSO seems to function like a delivery system, and it doesn't deliver anything good.

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Igor's avatar

Lets analyze DMSO from purely first principles (chemistry).

DMSO is a solvent, acting on polar and nonpolar solutes through weak, reversible intermolecular forces, such as dipole-dipole interactions and hydrogen bonding, facilitating passive diffusion across lipid membranes by disrupting bilayer order. This property allows it to enhance the solubility and transport of small molecules (typically <500 Da, possibly larger under specific circumstances). DMSO does not support selective targeting of contaminants at trace levels (ppm or ppb). In the human body's heterogeneous compartments (spanning approximately 30 trillion cells and 70 liters of volume) DMSO follows CONCENTRATION GRADIENTS per Fick's laws, leading to partitioning based on solute affinities (e.g., lipophilic toxins favoring adipose tissue) rather than uniform distribution. Thus you will only get local reshuffling within the specific tissue.

The indiscriminate nature of DMSO's as carrier means it associates opportunistically with ANY compatible molecule encountered, releasing solutes upon environmental shifts (e.g., at membrane barriers) without ensuring intracellular encapsulation or evasion of chemical equilibria. At low toxin concentrations, dilution may occur. You can not overlook inevitable reactivity, such as binding to intracellular components or metabolic processing. Larger entities, like nanoparticles exceeding 500 Da, face steric barriers, further restricting transportation efficacy.

In essence, while DMSO can mobilize compatible solutes, its passive, non-selective mechanisms preclude the orchestrated, systemic effects you imply, aligning with principles of thermodynamics and diffusion rather than enabling concealed toxicity or blocked clearance.

DMSO binding to other molecules is WEAK, through hydrogen bonds and dipole-dipole interactions, there is no covalent bonding. DMSO is not a "carrier" in traditional sense, the carrying phenomena can be much more accurately described as altering the substrate during permeation, thus allowing other molecules to follow the trail.

The most effective use of DMSO to carry something is to mix it with that something, the weak bonding + solvent alteration of substrate it passes through will deliver that something into the "layers" of tissue, but will be immediately subject to diffusion and barrier interaction. Delivery into the blood stream remains still the moste effective distribution method.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Yes, the way you are describing in your past paragraphs is how DMSO is used for "therapeutic" purposes. A question is what else does it deliver besides the intended substance(s). Nothing good, I suppose, and even the intended substances usually target symptoms only, as allopathy nearly exclusively tends to... Another question is how it dilutes concentrated "health problems" and what happens to the substances accumulated there.

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Igor's avatar

DMSO has VERY SHORT delivery path (it is hard to be specific because it depends on the tissue, but it can range from micro-m to milli-m) before other factors start to interfere with what you want delivered. The most efficient way to deliver something throughout the body is bloodstream. In that sense DMSO will penetrate and possibly deliver portion of the substance you want delivered into the bloodstream, bypassing the digestive system. However, you may achieve similar results sublingually or colorectally. DMSO is not magic, no matter which side argues for or against it. Just because DMSO itself goes through everything it does not imply anything else latched or following it can do that as well.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

What do you think about the link in the pinned comment?

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Igor's avatar

I Have completely missed the lniks...

But, going through them, there is nothing indicating DMSO itself is a cause of death. It is always something else whose effects got enhanced by DMSO.

In that respect, apure water is lethal too.

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Igor's avatar

You mean "DMSO deaths" & grok?

I have not seen any links to actual data there?

I went to pubmed and did the "DMSO fatal" search myself, and nothing relevant came back!?

Not wanting to spend too much time on this, I did a fast google search on the same term, the first link was death in poland during hydrogen-peroxide + DMSO blood infusion.. You have much higher chances linking H2O2 to death than DMSO..

When it comes to cause of death, there can be myriad of factors ..

I have yet to see any causative explanation for the DMSO role in death beside mere correlation (being present).

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Sharine Borslien's avatar

Thanks for this, Ray. It serves as confirmation that my intuition is spot on. All last week, I was thinking about products like DMSO, methylene blue, and other *industrial chemical waste products*😵 and how they're being peddled by both witting and unwitting "people" at exorbitant profit margins plus the FAME, of course, despite the fact that the products are all poisons.

I was thinking that these chemicals initially shock the system at a cellular level — kind of how refined white flour products are immediately registered by the lips and mouth as a super-high-glycemic sugar, which messes with the pancreas, insulin, liver, kidneys, etc WHILE the body is essentially *deceived* into "feeling better." But these poisons are far more insidious than processed white flours and refined sugars, because they also damage the cells beyond repair, as you say:

"The body is simply not prepared to self-diagnose particles inside its cells, because normally, no such intruder could cross the cell walls. DMSO, however, makes it possible, leaving the body blind to the threat. The logical result is that detoxification becomes next to impossible."

This is the height of unethical☠️👾🤖🤡.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Again, something I'm most likely alone to say... Still, it's quite simple and logical... Why am I alone with this? Again...

As I live with my SS, I figured this out shortly before waking up. :)

It scared the living daylight out of me, thinking about all those who are placing trust in synthetic crap like this... Of course, once a person becomes synthetic "enough," who knows what's next...

It's well beyond profiteering; Mercola and MWD are players in the game.

Flour makes me sick... Hard to tell why:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/where-are-white-flour-vitamins-and

The recent pesticidal extension comes as no surprise, either:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/gmo-wheat-is-now-legal-in-the-us

And the "doctors" are putting it down to "gluten allergy"; just another invented illness, being tested with the toxic material itself...

The human race has been digging its grave from the beginning. If history started a million times over, it would always default to this end.

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Sharine Borslien's avatar

Thanks for your additional comments, Ray. I appreciate your situation and that it has led to you having an epiphany about all this synthetic crap and the players themselves.

At this point, I'm not invested in whether "humanity" defaults to this end or not: I just know that I'm not coming back here. I won't be fooled again.

Take care, always good to chat with you.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Same here. :)

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Linelle MacDougal's avatar

Have been meaning to write you on your previous articles Ray ( a terrible excuse) but life sometimes gets in the way and my life isn't about writing for the most part . I'm not sure if you are aware or not but many substack people are noting a drop off with some people overall. Perhaps others are trying to get back to a former life that was before it became captured ? Who knows really as I can only speak for myself at this late stage of life with the horizon pretty close. Today , I noted your research and questioning of DSMO again. My husband has a knee issue and goes to a physiotherapist . She is aware ,he did not buy into (probably because of me) the accepted propaganda in the virus debacle and has for the most part , not been in the captured mill of treatments - no family dr as an example. With that being said , I did in fact buy some dsmo a few years back . He had a slight issue with his wrist , applied the stuff and voila , it was gone the next day and at this point has not returned . He now applies some Dsmo with Castor oil on occasion and experiences some pins and needles - but not pain . Having stated that , if you were having pains in joints or other areas , are you in a position to say what you think might be a less than toxic solution ... or should I be sourcing a good medicine man with their plant based ideas ? So much is unknown ... always wonder what people find useful when they have researched so much and know about overall toxicity . Thank you Ray .

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Yes, it's in my current article; in fact, that's why I wrote this one: immediate improvements/"healing" can occur. The question is, what happens next. There is a chance that the body's threshold gets used to the new type of poisoning, but I doubt it, because the body is unprepared for such slow and gradual intracellular deterioration (as opposed to normal cell death). Still, it seems like DMSO works to a certain extent, except nobody knows how far. As the whole popular poisoning seems AI-directed, other variables can also come into the picture and interact/converge with the current forms of poisoning. I certainly would NOT use DMSO all the time, but that's only me. As I also mention in the article, ALL synthetic stuff poses danger...

Most of the time, I am in pain b/o my joints, but refuse to use anything for it. Also, I don't trust ANY "doctors" or "medicine men," because there is no universal paradigm even for health/illness, and old-fashioned medicine works only within the confines of the traditional surroundings/diet/etc.

Chances are that these days, when contamination from chemtrails have been going on for decades, plants are not "natural," either...

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Linelle MacDougal's avatar

Been delayed ( waiting for the verdict in the convoy trial- almost the same as the culling of healthy ostriches - all insanity at its best) with my response here Ray and appreciate what you wrote . Like you ,I don't trust doctors either having worked for so many years in major hospitals with a shroud of hubris wrapped around many . I do like my own research though because then I can take full responsibility for my choices . To be in pain most of the time has to have some effect on your personality ,I'd think ? With respect to my husband's use of DSMO ,it isn't all the time and he gets periods of relief from cold compresses , hot water , and a few other machines that work topically for not a long lasting relief and he did find a guy on utube doing strengthening exercises for his damaged knee area that has helped; however , maybe the tincture of time sometimes works as well. The telomeres are getting shorter anyway Ray and we've avoided regular allopathic people , maybe a little dsmo mixed with those chem trails that I document almost daily might just push us closer to that horizon we'll all be crossing soon enough .

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

No, I'm used to being in pain. :)

What severely affected me was having to grow up in a crime-infested neighborhood, where I had to be alert all the time in order to protect those whom I loved.

As I previously noted, when the pain is unbearable, even I go for stuff that I otherwise wouldn't condone, like an "antioxidant" after my hospitalization two years ago, which happened to help for a week, but a week later, my condition was worse than at the beginning...

It's impossible to tell what helps and what doesn't; I simply posted my concerns, and it's everybody's own decision after that.

Trusting anyone, including doctors, when it comes to one's well-being, is not necessarily the best idea. It's usually the person who knows what' best for themselves.

Depending on the grade of poisoning, even exercising was weaponized after the killer shots started:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-weaponization-of-exercise

Mercola is offering a good weathervane for immediate manipulation...

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Linelle MacDougal's avatar

Sounds like at an early stage in your life Ray , your cellular structure was programmed to be on high alert - like having cortisol floating around regularly . I really like what you post about your concerns as I have said before because they make me think and perhaps do more research - overall not a bad thing . I was aware of how the exercise was weaponized and certianly pointing out to me how insane everything was becoming . The authorities certainly had lots to say about Wim Hof - a method that I hope to be able to do well into my demented years ; perhaps it's about being a contrarian by nature .

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

This mental state deprives the person of enjoying all the goodness and beauty in life, but I've been a sucker for both, the little I've been able to perceive, that is. These days, my wonderful wife is teaching me how to live! :)

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Linelle MacDougal's avatar

Lovely Ray and hope she reads what you write about her.

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Crixcyon's avatar

I am reminded of the song "Industrial Disease" by Dire Straits. Both the song name and the band name are quite appropriate for these repurposed industrial wastes.

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