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The evil one seeks to divide us and pit us against each other. He can only divide and cannot unite. Do not fall for his treachery against your fellow human beings. United we stand divided we fall as this is a war against all human beings, just in case you have not figured that out yet. Hatred and resentment are tools of the dark side. Do not let them win or we all lose.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Sadly, humans are already divided in way too many ways...

Incompatible cultures are now being mingled...

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Bert Powers's avatar

All part of their plan.

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For the past fifty years it appears as if most of the sincere political activists have attempted to educate the population about certain egregious matters in the hopes that the properly enlightened citizen will either support a particular candidate for public office, purchase educational materials to enlighten others, or accomplish something that will prevent the destruction of our sacred posterity.

This line of hopeful reasoning has failed, and it must be abandoned because it does not work.

The study of human nature and psychology demonstrates that every person has a story and situation that exceeds everyone else’s. And every person considers themselves to be just, honorable and virtuous.

And this aspect of human nature must be leveraged towards the common good.

Fortunately, the technology is available to do this.

By using the technology, we declare ourselves sovereign.

The time to use the technology is now.

It is a known fact that the members of the US Congress and the State Legislatures do not read, evaluate, or debate any of the particulars of the Legislation they vote on. They cannot read or debate the issues because the Bills approach 2000 pages each. And there are one hundred new bills / acts of Congress for them to vote on every day they are in session. They vote the way the party bosses tell them to vote. The news media may comment on one or two pieces of Congressional business per month, and the commentary will be adding to the confusion.

During the 1992 Presidential campaign, Ross Perot called attention to this insanity with a diplomatic observation that "a general lack of accountability among elected officials and those in the bureaucracy was the one specific reason that the people in America suffered".

Mr. Perot then suggested that the best and perhaps only way to make government officials accountable was to include the citizens in the decision-making process - every hour, every day.

He went on to note that this can easily be done with computers and called the proposed mechanism

THE ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL.

With this computer program every interested citizen can indicate whether or not they agree, disagree, or are undecided with every line item of every law, policy and program on the books or that was being advanced. It can be used at every level of government and in every jurisdiction.

To prevent chaos the basic law, our Constitution and Bill of Rights would be exempt from review.

Mr. Perot speculated that the Founding Fathers would probably have done the same had the technology been available. He referred to it as the Fourth Branch of government; The Citizens Branch / The Electronic Townhall.

If the government is truly of the people, by the people and for the people then what better way is there to perfect every section of the various laws and policies that do affect each and every one of us every single day?

It would not be difficult to expect at least 50 thousand qualified citizens, per congressional district, to evaluate 20 pages of law or proposed law, per day, and get their Ratify, Annual, or Undecided input every day the congress is in session. The results could be aggregated, made known and we would all be better off.

The program would even allow a citizen to go back and change their vote as they matured. And when a super majority is reached the law/proposed law is either ratified or annulled by immediate recognition of the enforcement mechanisms.

With tens of millions of laws and tens of thousands of taxes there is plenty of work to be done.

According to Mr. Perot, this, the harnessed experience and the combined intelligence of hundreds of thousands or even millions of citizens focused like a laser light on the real issues, will, as surely as night follows the day, perfect every law in our country and eventually it will right every wrong.

Mr. Perot publicly announced his intention to give the fourth branch of government to the people in America if he was elected President.

But this attempt to empower our humanity was so far removed from the business-as-usual-two-party-system that the talking heads and trolls yelled out that Mr. Perot was trying to destroy our Constitution, our government and our way of life.

The ELECTONIC TOWNHALL was denounced as unworkable.

How would the poor participate?

How would fraud be prevented?

What about those who do not know how to use a computer?

In a final act of desperation, the control freaks claimed that letting the average citizen to pass judgment on the individual pieces of public law would lead to chaos and pandemonium.

The media was so intensely negative towards the ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL that Mr. Perot was forced to stop talking about it, but he never withdrew it from his platform.

But we all know the truth: only the concerned will bother to participate.

It’s now been thirty-two years since the proposal.

No other person of national reputation or significant influence has picked up the idea. BUT the big two political parties regularly stage "townhall meetings" where they talk of "reform" and "returning power to the people". They do this to link themselves to the empowering part of the idea without adding to its manifestation.

And still we suffer in the hopeless loop of: "candidates with a sense of morality and respect for the Constitution who understand true brotherhood, justice and democracy and who will do the right thing for us each and every time, trust me".

While we cannot make light of sincere individuals who get into public office, we must acknowledge the fact that regardless of who has been elected to public office the problems in our government get more complicated and our people continue to suffer.

Could we possibly admit that our national situation, now being made global, is far too complicated for the President and the 535 elected members of the legislature to manage in our best interests?

You, the person reading this know some of the things we need.

Your friends, our fellow countrymen have their solutions too.

The only way to organize the workable ideas is to create a device that will enable all of us to simultaneously contribute our best thinking and most benevolent experience towards solving our most complicated problems.

That device is THE ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL and the place to begin is with our existing laws.

According to Ross Perot, this is the only way forward.

Recently, Elon Musk announced that his artificial intelligence program will run on X Premium, and it will provide the text to the laws the Congress is voting on. Everyone should get on board and ask Mr. Musk to include the business of the State Legislatures too – with the Ratify, Annual or Undecided feature to built right in. But why stop there? The county commissioners vote on hundreds of billions of dollars of activity every week…. And the local school board needs help too.

# A1. Should the US Congress establish Law that would subordinate their activity to the ratification or annulment of a super majority of the “qualified” voters in their district?

a. Yes

b. No

c. Undecided

# 1. Who gets to vote in the: general election?

a. citizens only - Yes No

b. natural born citizens only - Yes No

c. natural born citizens with four natural born grandparents - Yes No

d. naturalized citizens (legal immigrants) - Yes No

e. legal immigrants not yet naturalized - Yes No

f. anyone with a drivers license – Yes - No

# 2. Ages of Voter

g. minimum18 years

h. minimum 21 years

i. minimum 25 years

j. minimum 30 years

k. minimum 33 years

l. minimum 35 years

# 3. Sex of Voter

a. Male – Yes - No

b. Female – Yes - No

c. Non – Binanry - Yes - No

d. Transgender - Yes - No

# 4. Competence of Voter

e. property owners net value over $50,000 - Yes - No

f. property owners net value over $250,000 - Yes - No

g. tax exempt persons – Yes - No

h. those receiving welfare / food stamps – Yes - No

i. those with unpaid child support obligations - Yes - No

j. those receiving WIC – Yes - No

k. those receiving Section 8 – Yes - No

l. those working for government bureaucracies – Yes - No

m. those that will pay a $5000 poll tax - Yes - No

n. those that have paid a minimum of $5000 per year of tax for their combined jurisdictions in excess of any received via SS, Medicare, Medicaid, ATFWDC - Yes - No

# 5. Genetic presence of Voter

a. Male without children – Yes - No

b. Male with children – Yes - No

c. Male with children plural vote – Yes - No

d. Female without children – Yes - No

e. Female with children – Yes - No

f. Female with children plural vote – Yes - No

g. Only married males with children, never divorced can vote. – Yes - No

# 6. Who should be trusted with the responsibility and power of public

office?

a. Only those authorized to vote in the general election - Yes No

b. Male without children – Yes - No

c. Male with children – Yes - No

d. Female without children – Yes - No

e. Female with children – Yes - No

f. Only married males with children, never divorced can hold public office – Yes - No

g. Depends on the office - Yes - No

h. minimum18 years - Yes - No

i. minimum 21 years - Yes - No

j. minimum 25 years - Yes - No

k. minimum 30 years - Yes - No

l. minimum 33 years - Yes - No

m. minimum 35 years - Yes - No

#7. How long should a legally arrived, non-working, never worked in America, elderly

immigrant have to wait before they start collecting social security?

a. Six months

b. One year

c. Two years

d. Five years

e. never

#6. Presently the pharmaceutical companies that make “vaccines” are immune from liability.

QUESTION: should the makers of “vaccines” be immune from product safety liability?

a. Yes

b. No

c. Undecided

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Sorry, I am swamped. Can you, please, address only one or two problems at a time in order to give me a chance to respond?

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SoloD's avatar

Thank you for pointing this out to me.

The call to action is: encourage Elon Musk to make GROK into The Electronic Townhall.

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Sharon R. Fiore's avatar

We wouldn’t have the perversion we have now because when Obama forced the gay marriage, only 40% of people believed in it and it’s 40% still except now the 60% are livid about what’s going on. Anybody who is a decent human being and not a disgusting hedonist

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Igz Navi's avatar

Looks like nobody wants to remember what happened in Sep. 4th 1939 in Bromberg Poland to the German minority . Sept 9 1939 Hitler declared on the radio : " From this morning we are shooting back ! "

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Ogo12345's avatar

3 September 1939 Bydgoszcz was the scene of "an uprising” staged by the Third Reich diversionists and saboteurs. Joined by some local Germans, they formed groups numbering a few men each, took positions in several locations throughout the city, and opened fire on the retreating Polish soldiers. The ″insurgents” apparently intended to hold out until regular German forces entered Bydgoszcz, and frequently changed positions to avoid capture. As soon as the „uprising” broke out, Polish soldiers of the 9th, 15th and 27th Infantry Divisions passing through the city, reinforced by freshly formed local 82 Guard Batallion and civilian volunteers, set about suppressing the revolt. Shooting ensued in the streets of Bydgoszcz along a narrow North-South strip, and in confusion, the Poles sometimes shot at their own. The search for diversionists and saboteurs led to arresting Germans on the slightest suspicion and summary executions of those who were captured armed. A number of innocent people were murdered, as most of the apprehended had not participated in the shooting.

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Igz Navi's avatar

Orgo . This is your propaganda . " Uprising " ??? Germans civilians attacked Polish military garrisons without weapons . Good luck with that . IDIOT . Germany officially complained to the League of Nations about the atrocities against the German minorities by the Poles . 12 times ! No answer from the League . So STFU !

Bydgoszcz ?? You can give any name to what you have stole . Its still stolen .

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Please, keep the discourse civilized and refrain from ad hominem...

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Ogo12345's avatar

Do not call me any names.. you ignorantimus. Too lazy to research for 5 minutes? then stfu. Germanics were armed and shot in the back from roof tops or such.. what attacking garrisons? They (local partisan segment) were helping enemy. Hence, in such dramatic circumstances their neighbours of German ethnics were tragically also executed in such a commotion. It was a war.. some were guilty but others were not. Was it some genocide or "pogrom" as Goebbels inferred in his officially complains to the League of Nations, for his propaganda? NOT. I guess you trust Goebbels more. Smart dude btw, but not to be trusted.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Please, keep the discourse civilized... I asked the other party, too...

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

That's a remarkable story I've never heard of, and that most likely includes most other readers, so if you can post a link to a source, it would be most helpful. Of course, the problem with such links is that occasionally they get suppressed, intimidated, or sued out of existence, so it's your call.

After WW1, Poland got a chunk of German-majority territories, and its government refused to negotiate about their return. Still strangely, French and Britain declared war on Germany for its reoccupying old German territories, and they ignored Stalin, who took the rest of Poland...

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Ogo12345's avatar

try wikipedia

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Igz Navi's avatar

Here is the answer to why Stalin was not attacked by the British .

" You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism , but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all , regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest ." Winston Churchill .

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Ogo12345's avatar

So what have germanicus roboticus humanoids, such as yourself, done, in order to recover from Anglo-Saxon occupation? Nothing really. Mostly buying their propaganda crap and sucking them off, with pleasure, no less? Perhaps letting them jail your few standup seniors that protested, that holohoax cultish scheme? And to make you weaklings feel better, about yourselves, attacking your neighboring Slavic people, that at least have some balls, and never asked for what you've brought on them.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Look, I must repeatedly ask you to leave out ad hominem (personal) attacks. Would it be so difficult to use neutral phrases and present what you believe as facts?

Such dialogues deter other readers and destroy the comment sections, which I will not allow...

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Ogo12345's avatar

Guilty as charged.. somewhat. However, I don't like to be called: Idiot. And "germanicus roboticus", in above context, is definitely not in order to insult.. just simply stating a fact, imho.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Or what happened to the German minority in Czechoslovakia, where many were summarily lynched. 1.5 million German civilians dying in French/American death camps (which were actually death camps) and the three million Germans deliberately starved to death between 1945 and 1948:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/history-gone-wrong-you-must-think

Did Goebbels know the future of the US?

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/did-goebbels-know-the-future-of-the

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JP Spatzier's avatar

Maybe the Zionists made an agreement with the Muslims … 🤷‍♀️ … they get greater Israel & the rest can be taken over by Muslims

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

No, they are both vehicles towards Agenda 2030.

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JP Spatzier's avatar

Wow .. I’ve been going back and forth on the one world religion thing… I was split between Kabbalah & Islam …

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Sharon R. Fiore's avatar

I would take Islam any day over anything that allows filth and perversion right in front of our faces every day and pushing it on our children.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

The perversion is not exactly a religion, but here are essential details about Islam. I would personally prefer to fight to the death before accepting it:

https://thestoryofmohammed.blogspot.com/

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I'm sure you'll figure it out for yourself. :)

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Not all Jews are created alike. While that doesn't matter, what do you think?

Even Zionism is lined up as a service for the globalists, and its attendants have been given powerful positions as well. Do you think that, even they, will outlast this or will be parts of the "losses"?

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/on-ring-to-rule-them-all

It's all aligned...

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Sharon R. Fiore's avatar

I think they are going to get scapegoated. They are accusing the Jews of everything right now. What a coincidence that now they have this narrative going against the Jews that suddenly even Christopher Columbus was a Jew.?! After all these years, they finally just found out?

I think the very richest of the Jews doesn’t care about the regular ones and doesn’t care that those are the ones that are going to get the backlash again.

It’s hard to feel sorry for any of them when I see what Israel was doing, and to how the people of Israel support it. I do not like seeing videos of them jumping all the food or raping or wearing women’s clothes after they killed the women were playing with children’s toys after they killed them. But still, there are innocent people who are going to end up getting hurt. Because people can’t be sensible when their emotions are high, and the government knows what they are doing with causing all these emotions.

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Yes, they are mostly patsies; not necessarily all of them, but accusing one person who is not culpable of the crimes committed by others, some of them are Jewish, doesn't exactly serve "justice." Who is "innocent"?

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/missing-the-target-the-globalist

Israel, just like the US, has been hijacked by globalist forces, and blaming the people for what their "elected leaders" do, is not fair. The illegitimate "government" of "US" has committed so many obvious crimes in the pas hundred and eleven years (when the USD was handed over to a private bank with The Federal Reserve Act of 1913) that it would be hard to arrive at much conclusive discernment...

The globalists seem to include many parties, some of them are fake Jews who are willing to sacrifice their "brethren" on the altar of the NWO...

As already Dostoevsky observed, once you give too much power to someone, it can turn even the best-willing person into a monster...

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The globalist conscpiary has been going on for over a hundred years.

Am I a "Jew"?

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/who-is-jewish

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JP Spatzier's avatar

Yes. I just saw this video today .. they want greater Israel & that land all to themselves.. there is zero multiculturalism in Israel for non-Jews

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Sharon R. Fiore's avatar

Yes, that’s right and nobody tells them hey don’t you have multiculturalism if you are forcing it on us?!! Jewish people are 2% of America and most of Congress and 90% of the president’s cabinet pics and it doesn’t matter democratic Republican they all pick Jews.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Then why were they killing the "Jews" with the lethal injections?

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Sharon R. Fiore's avatar

Because the really rich ones feel like, hey if they are Jews, they should be smart and make a lot of money and if they don’t make enough money to be as awesome as we are, then they could just get the injections like the goYim.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Doesn't that prove that even Zionists are only used towards Agenda 2030?

The term, "goyim," is restricted to orthodox Judaism, which amounts to a tiny percentage of "the Jews," and those are not exactly in power... The actual rulers despise the masses, which explains the "collateral damages"...

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Drs in Israel have been caught sterilizing the Jews who emigrated to Israel from Africa .

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Because not all Jews are the same … just like any other group… they have hierarchies.. same as USA

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I would prefer to say, they are tribal, as all humans are, and they have "tribes."

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Sharon R. Fiore's avatar

Exactly the very top richest ones feel any Jew, who makes under a certain amount of money is a loser just like a typical goy. So they treat them accordingly and they are not worried about the backlash on them when the richest and most powerful escape to their island.

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The term "goy" (a "cow" that has no soul) is from orthodox Judaism (which is relatively rare even among Jews), but the rich, no matter what they believe in, despise the masses...

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fwiw (nobuddy'll believe me tho' lol) the joos do NOT wanna take over the world, not even the subset of zionists that do qualify as crazy zealot nut cases (those are like the unhinged evangelists ye git in ANY faith--but inconveniently most zionists understand that term as simply meanin' that Israel kin exist as a state -- but I'll leave that fer an'nuhter time)...

My pernt here is that "Greater Israel" dates back ta the frickin' bible and has squat all ta do with Klaus Schwab, the WEF, an' other such "invaders" like the (sssssh) Muslim-ites.

Term refers to land delineated in the bible that specifies original boundaries IN the Middle East (no further) that are--let's say--way more generous than the leetle carved out piece of land the size of Rhode Island that became the UN-designated "Jooish State."

MOST joos accepted those UN-designated borders just fine...still do.

Chews do NOT wanna take over this wacky whirled... We/they try ta "blend in" wherever they live with various degrees of acceptance--the deep fear mongerin' 'bout da joos (I know ye know this Ray) an' the evil Zionists that wanna CONQUER y'all is like Emperor Ming Comic Book stuff from Flash Gordon.

Again, Greater Israel is not new--it's ANCIENT! Concept became unintentionally a factor in the 6 day war when Moshe Dayan decided to git a little grabby in the Golan Hts (fwiw the West Bank under another name was always part've Israel).

Honestly, Dayan did not plan that but as Israel was unexpectedly WINNIN' whilst bein' attacked by 3 Arab nations he went "fuk yeah!" an' gotta bit grabby not b/c he was insane (tho' yup he LIVED on a war footin' all his daze) but ruther b/c BARGAININ' CHIP--political saavy.

It worked -- I'll give ya this u give me that... came in handy later like the Walmart shoppers that snap up extree terlet paper they don't need when it's on sale so's they kin barter with it when shortages come! (All eyes are on Israel while Greater ISLAM steels yer nations... joke's on US!)

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sorry this is a mite long... :-o !!!!

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ps yup Ray, Israel sold out it's own FIRST with the jabberoos AND the Green Passes AND sellin' their GENES an' privit info to the highest bidder (imho THAT was the genocide--of da joos!--way more affected too, millions...ugh)

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Even orthodox Jews are waiting for the Messiah (they reject Jesus, because the Torah never said the Messiah would say "I'll be right back"), who would give them world domination. Jews don't even proselytize...

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And you think this applies...?

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Eugyppius, however, is an agent. (S)he blocked me from the very beginning:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/on-eugippius

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