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Sharine Borslien's avatar

Thanks, Ray. A simple DDG search of "dimethyl sulfoxide MSDS" (referring to the manufacturer's safety data sheet regarding the product) reveals easy data to refute the "health-promoting properties" of DMSO. Here's one from FischerScientific, which shows quite clearly, this is A POISON. There are very few studies on DMSO, but the manufacturers definitely recommend keeping it away from water (aren't we mostly water?) and OUT of the environment!

https://www.fishersci.com/store/msds?partNumber=D1391&productDescription=DIMETHYL%20SULFOXIDE%20GC%20HS%201L&vendorId=VN00033897&countryCode=US&language=en

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

That's ingenuous; I am pinning your comment!

MSDS data sheets are used by manufacturers in order to prevent legal liability... I wonder how much longer, if at all, will they be possible to trust. Kind of reminds me of diabetes perhaps soon being marketed as an "infectious disease":

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-has-been-causing-the-astronomical

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Sharine Borslien's avatar

Thanks, Ray. I learned to use MSDS from Agent131711 here on Substack.

Yeah, I wouldn't doubt the new marketing strategy for diabetes. Ugh, so evil, and most people worship those white coats.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Yup, Agent is a good source, a friend to me, but his work MUST be inserted into a global interpretive frame in order to prevent it from becoming compartmentalized:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/a-formidable-tool-at-your-disposal

These despicable monsters just don't have any shame...

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Sharine Borslien's avatar

Absolutely, Ray! Thanks for adding this. By the way, I don't know if you recall or not, but I did not fall prey to even one moment of the plandemic. First, I already knew about the [not]Spanish [not]Flu of 1918-19 having *nothing* to do with "viral transmission"; I already knew that no "virus" had ever been isolated; and I already knew about Event 201 (the "pandemic" simulation exercise). Oh, and in early 2017, I stopped believing that "viruses" are transmissible between humans and other animals, after which I NEVER got sick again (coming up on 9 years, yay).

So in late 2019 when I saw the ridiculously faked video footage of a fellow in China dropping dead from CV-19, I knew what was coming. I mean, why would a person be filming NOTHING HAPPENING on the street outside from an upper apartment window ONLY to randomly capture this man's "death"? Also, when a person who is standing loses consciousness, they don't fall forward with their arms out to break their fall; they just sort of crumple.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Sharine, I do remember you being authentic, but I've been missing your work for quite a while. As real authors are now disappearing on SS, I hope to catch up with your work! (Loaded it this morning, but still couldn't get around to it... My bad...)

Other than that, yes, I remember, just like the trucks outside hospitals when funerals were forbidden, and the dentist "madicating" patients to death in Elmhurst Hospital, NYC...

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Sharine Borslien's avatar

How the years go by! I have been busy with music, traveling, and supporting my family through my father's ordeal. Now, I'm making a shift to increase my creativity with music and photography. I still plan to research and post occasional articles when the issue compels me to do so!

And wow, yeah, all your work during the plandemic. So inspiring. You are one of a kind, and your writing is important for disturbing the Machine Mind and its death-cultists!

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The Wailing Banshee's avatar

I bought a small bottle over a year ago and then threw it in the bin as my instincts told me it would not be healthy!

I am targeted to shit but unvaccinated...

It kind of appears that this solvent will act as a medium for dissolving clumps of hydrogel etc to allow dissipation of the 'shite' now swirling through everyone's blood streams through the entire body.

If you are not part of the teams that are involved with these programs you are definitely being targeted...be it soft or hard targeting, but everyone is affected, whether or not they realise it yet!

The men in charge of all the frequency equipment that reacts with the chemical compounds inside our bodies will happily 'turn down' the 'symptoms' to make people believe what they are doing is working..... then it creates a wave of others doing the same thing to try to escape the nightmare!.... A perfect way to get people to self medicate with things that will HELP this shit to spread around the body and lodge itself in the brain and central nervous system which IS THE GOAL.

If they cannot inject this shit straight into nerve channels the next best thing is into the blood via a fake vax, but it needs to be kept clot free and mobile in the veins to allow dissipation.

The central nervous system is the main objective with these chemical compounds which then pair with the frequency modulations.... A Nazi invention which is why we actually had the 2nd world war- to prevent the Germans being in control of this program!

I uploaded a video a couple of months ago about one of the last Nazi bunkers to be discovered in 2022 on the Czech border... it contained a lab with ledgers, frequency modulation equations on a huge wall to wall backboard and a glass cube that the 'test subjects' sat in whilst breathing in the chemical compound mix before then being blasted with frequencies to activate those compounds... Within 15 minutes the subject was rendered totally brain inactive but still awake.... I repeat -no brain activity.

The scientists were then shared out amongst the US, the UK and Russia. Japan was already working with the Nazi's on this program and I believe this is why the US REALLY had the war with Japan at that same time.....

The experiments never stopped and we have all been infected with this shit for at least 70 years beginning in the 1950's with the mass roll-out of vaccinations.

That is exactly when everything changed.... Food supplies changed, pre-prepared foods became popular, people's exercise habits changed overnight, women's figures began to change, children's behaviours began to change, illnesses went up, etc etc etc... mental health issues began to rise sharply... Its all part of the programs.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I concur.

It looks like your premonition warned you of the effect I described in my article.

When it comes to "Nazi experiments," most recently, I started to think that publicizing them is also part of the global psyop, meant to attract attention to the visible, instead of suspecting that a LOT more has been going on. I addressed the method in

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-open-message-deception

Comparable experiments must have been going on since around 1880 all over the world in top-secret projects. In retrospect, "vaccines" seem to have been part of the depopulation and human-control process since their inception, considering the crude and merciless "science" they come from. Lots of other projects at the same, time, too... Just a few examples:

Endotoxicity and anaphylaxis:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/a-vehicle-for-permanent-illness

Disruption of intercell communication:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-global-attack-on-the-information

And more subtle means:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-symbiotic-human-body

I should probably write about "mental health," too, but I'm not ready to do that beyond what I have already written about it.

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The Wailing Banshee's avatar

Thousands of people in the Uk are targeted through mental health and frequency modulations. The homeless are especially used for experiments and recruit training. I have seen this up close in 2023.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

MK Ultra type experiments and operations have been going on all over the world. It’s just even worse, when it happens in front of you. I’ve also seen more than I ever wanted to see.

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Doreen's avatar

Vigilant News Network [VNN] founded and run by Foster Coulson. VNN Editor in Chief Vigilant Fox https://www.whiteroseintelligence.com/vigilant-news-network/

VNN is sponsored by The Wellness Company founded by Foster Coulson. https://beyondthemaze.substack.com/p/the-wellness-company

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Thank you for the details!

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Darling Crimson's avatar

Thank you Ray, blessings your way as you bless your readers 🙏❤️🙏

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KnowLordJesusChrist?'s avatar

i heard people dying from taking too much when they were too toxic so it must be used cautiously

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

As all poisons must be... Have your read the article?

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Drew Despereaux's avatar

I appreciate your comment, I didn't realize that I didn't allow comments on the link as I'm pretty new to substack and trying to figure it out.

The currently available data that I was able to find suggests that it's not acutely toxic, though I didn't find anything that studied the long term effects (since those experiments are hard to perform). So without that data, I can't be but agnostic on that matter.

The drug definitely helps other particles through cell membranes, and that includes toxins and (at least some) infectious agents. I think I mentioned it in the article. When looking at the safety, DMSO on its own without contaminants seems to be acutely safe, but DMSO is often mixed with other chemicals and that could be dangerous, as you mention. I didn't talk about it in the article but I've seen alt medicine people mix DMSO with a chemical that burns your skin (as a "cancer cure"), and that's dangerous and should be talked about.

For the section on the FDA's trust, the people I see who claim that it's owned by Big Pharma are the same people who say that diseases aren't real, cancer can be good for you, and that buying their favorite snake oil will fix all your problems. Those were the people I had in mind when using the word 'weirdos'. You've been the first person who I've seen give a rational argument for that, and I agree with some of the points you make, and perhaps I should've used different language. However, I don't think there's enough evidence to say that they're owned by Big Pharma. The FDA has a track record of being much stricter than other equivalent agencies across the world. They also regularly don't approve drugs if they're not convinced of their safety. These behaviors are not what I'd expect if they were owned.

With regards to my trust in scientific literature, I'm a biological scientist and I rely on scientific literature on being robust enough to build upon. And it's not true that all the studies take in pharma money. My lab and the labs I've worked with take most of their money from the NIH and NSF, which get their funding directly from the government. Academic papers need to disclose their funding sources to show there isn't a conflict of interest, and if they lie it's grounds to get fired. There are issues in science (especially in academic publishing, as you note in your article) and I agree that they need to be addressed, but we shouldn't overstate the case and look at solutions (IE eLife journal and Biorxiv).

I do appreciate your comment and the chance to talk to someone who is interested in discovering truth. Hopefully with more discussions like this, people will stop listening to grifters like MWD and ask questions that will make us all better off.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Yes, it's important to discuss details, and nobody will ever have to agree with me, because I am far from perfect, and I want my readers to make their own decisions.

Big Pharma is owned and controlled by the globalist investment firms, along with most, if not all, the "madical" system. And the FDA has a risibly miserable track record... Did you know that in May, 2023, they authorized "vaccination" through the food supply? How about all the other legal ways of poisoning the people? This one is from three years ago:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/poisoning-can-be-legal

What makes you think that the government is not controlled by the globalist forces? All governments are, through the global banking system that controls the money flow...

Being agnostic doesn't cut it. One has to have a current opinion that (s)he can change, if new details emerge, but sitting on the fence deprives the person from initiating action or even from making decisions in which the problem is present.

Biology is compartmentalized in the same way as "Madicine" is. Depending on the task, it's possible to visit other rooms in the same floor and arrive at usable conclusions, but without an elevator or stairs, it's impossible to make progress towards a unifying paradigm...

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Drew Despereaux's avatar

I also did a deep dive into DMSO exposing the fact that there's very little science supporting its supposed healing properties

https://open.substack.com/pub/drewdespereaux/p/dmso-bs-a-brief-look-at-the-wonderdrug?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=63rclf

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

You are not allowing comments in the link, so let me comment here.

Let me start with my reservations:

So, DMSO doesn't kill or sicken you right away, and your conclusion is that "it's not toxic in small amounts." How about its long-term and cumulative effects?

That logic reminds me of the toxicity of "vitamin" D3 (and other "supplements"):

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-can-you-expect-from-vitamin

How about its propensity to allow toxin through cell membranes? Not just "contamination"? The drugs that treat the symptoms of COPD et al., when mixed with DMSO, obviously amplify the effect, but do NOT cure the conditions...

FDA "officials" have been using a revolving door between Big Pharma and FDA forever. Also, a significant amount of the FDA's budget comes from corporations, some of them pharmaceuticals. I haven't noticed that you need "weirdos" to say that...

You seem to place trust in "scientific literature" in a world where all those studies are financed by pharmaceuticals or the killing fields of allopathic "Madicine." You are even moving within its fraudulent paradigm, when criticizing it, which happens to confirm its false premises...

This is how "modern science" works (the links are also important in the following):

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/you-are-probably-not-interested-in

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You and I seem to agree

that DMSO is just another Trojan horse after the last "miracle med," ivermectin.

I love your observation that MWD's job is to trick search engines! (he/she/it even left a comment in this comment section!)

MWD is indeed a showman/woman/it... DMSO is certainly worse than snake oil, though.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

DMSO is being popularized because I decided it was a good area to focus my time on, and the case I made went viral so other people adopted it as well (primarily because it helped them).

I made the decision to popularize it because:

•It is widely available and costs nothing, so it is very accessible.

•It has fairly low toxicity (much lower than most commonly available medications) so it was unlikely to hurt people who took it.

•The effects it has are often rapid and dramatic for issues which are otherwise incurable.

•There is a massive volume of evidence supporting its use.

•The FDA waged a massive battle against it for decades despite widespread protest from the Congress, the public, and the scientific community.

•DMSO eventually became almost entirely forgotten.

Put differently my motivation for spending the last year of my life on this and burning the candle on both ends was:

•This will help a lot of people.

•It will likely help enough people to go viral.

•If it goes viral, it will give people tangible proof they can directly relate to that the FDA has a longstanding precedent of acting against their interest.

•This is a critical time to expose these types of issues, because while MAHA is in power, there is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to end the medical BS I've had to watch and accept for my entire life.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Thank you for your time.

The rest is up to the readers.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

A liberal DEI medical professor with a big grant will never out themselves . Then get a close knit group of writers to write an integrative health substack… it adds up to a lot of money 💰….. always follow the money . 💰

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Tracy Kolenchuk's avatar

Let's ask a simple question: How can we tell if DMSO cures any illness?

We can't. Cured is not medically defined for DMSO treatments. Cured is only medically defined, at present, for an infectious disease treated with an approved medication. DMSO is not an approved treatment (for humans). It is approved for veterinarian use. And it is often prescribed and used effectively for horses and sometimes for dogs. It is also often used by "horse owners" who have seen what it does for their animals. But "cures" are not documented, cannot be documented because "cured" is not defined for DMSO nor any illness treated by DMSO.

There are, of course, many debates about whether DMSO improves healthiness or damages healthiness. But these answers all fail to a similar definitional problem. We have no medical nor scientific technologies or techniques to "measure healthiness." So we don't know.

With regards to DMSO toxicity? Frankly, water is toxic. The LD50 of water is about 90,000 mg/kg. The LD50 of DMSO is reported to in the MSDS as 28,300 - about three times as toxic as water. Toxicity is about the dose, not the substance. Dose toxicity has two dimensions, one that is relatively easy to measure - how much it takes to cause damage or death in a one-time use. The other is accumulation. To understand the toxicity of DMSO treatments, we also need to understand how long it stays in the body. I don't know if there have been any studies the accumulation dimension of toxicity. The MSDS says simply "Bioaccumulation/ Accumulation: No information available. Persistence is unlikely."

Summary: we don't know. We don't know if it cures. We don't know if it helps. We don't know if it harms. We don't know how much it takes to cure. We don't know how much it takes to help. We don't know how much it takes to harm. We have no science of healthiness. Why not?

to your health, tracy

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Tracy Kolenchuk's avatar

My interests are to seek cures. To prove something is right. If we cannot judge benefits, we cannot compare them with risks.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

At this point, the path is limited, so neither its start, nor its destination can be defined...

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

To me, it's more than enough proof that something is wrong, if both Mercola and MWD promote it...

Other than that, you previously said I overthink, but I maintain that all sources converge in ways that can barely, if at all, be diagnosed, while long-term impact is even rarer to prove (I'm not even sure that it has ever happened). Certain toxins accumulate, and there is no way to tell where, especially if they are evenly distributed, which is what I, for the moment, tend to think DMSO does. Once toxicity exceeds the person's tolerance threshold, sometimes diagnosis is possible, but out of thousands of options, who could guess which test might produce a reliable result?

I did propose what health and illness mean in

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/my-balance-theory-of-health-and-illness

The idea is not unique, but some of the details most likely are (sorry, I cannot read the millions of pages on the subject).

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corvus's avatar

Mr friend said they used to slather DMSO on race horses legs to keep them running, even though their legs had had enough. It worked wonders he said.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

It surely did... So, what's the process?

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João Alface's avatar

😏

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Charlotte Pendragon's avatar

I’ve been using DMSO since the early 70’s. Its usefulness has been around a long time! Especially great for joint injuries! ❤️

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Phar Percheron's avatar

thanks Charlotte. I just started using it this year, for neuropathy. I also get my IVM from Tractor Supply. Honestly, the fear of toxins just mirrors the previous fear of germs among the hand-washing crowd. If you can't eat a sandwich while you are mucking stalls, your immune system needs a tune-up!

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Oh, my wife and I eat with dirty hands! :) Still, it might make a difference if there are new germs introduced, which don't even have to be "toxic":

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-symbiotic-human-body

Please, don't consider me a party pooper, but there are soo many ways to inflict people...

Threats have been caused by several sources for at least 60 years...

Endotoxicity and anaphylaxis:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/a-vehicle-for-permanent-illness

Disruption of intercell communication:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-global-attack-on-the-information

And more subtle means:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-symbiotic-human-body

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I hope, you understand what it does: dissolves concentrated toxins and distributes them in the whole body. All humans have thresholds for toxicity, which happens to accumulate, while the person is "getting better." It also allows cells to be permeated and become vulnerable to embracing nanotech, which hasn't been around all that long. It's in my article...

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TeeCee's avatar

Can I ask? How does it know what is a toxin? How does it dissolve only toxins? 🤔 why isn't it dissolving other things?

I'm guessing people with arthritis get relief as it's dissolving calcium or oxalate deposits?

I do use it, sparingly and find it works very well with CDS. Another possible psyop that's been fantastic in helping my old dog have a better quality of life in his last years.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

The answers are in the article.

Personal testimonies don't work against critical thinking...

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crapshoot farmer's avatar

MWD's writings include the point of adding certain other ingredients to enhance the effects of DMSO, such as essential oils and others but he does not include any specifics.

I understand he remains unnamed because he maintains a med. practice. (Best way to keep a medical license thee days. Sometimes I think he is Mercola!)

But why did the FDA suppress it for so many years?

Isn't it a byproduct of the wood pulp industry? Does that make it a synthetic chemical?

In the Fisher MSDS link Sharine claims it is a POISON, but I must have missed it: "Exposure Guidelines: This product does not contain any hazardous materials with occupational exposure limits established by the region specific regulatory bodies"

Under Toxicological Info:

Toxicologically Synergistic

Products

No information available

Delayed and immediate effects as well as chronic effects from short and long-term exposure

Irritation No information available

Sensitization No information available

Here's my go to quote on clinical studies:

– “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.”

Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) –

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Phar Percheron's avatar

Thanks crapshoot. Honestly, the fear of toxins just mirrors the previous fear of germs among the hand-washing crowd. I will go to long-term use among animal owners for my safety data first. Same as IVM. I could be wrong, but I'm still here despite my recklessness.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

What is NOT crapshoot these days? :)

No, I'm not taking sides; it's everyone's own decision!

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

That's a considerate comment. Perhaps you can consider taking a few steps further.

Dr. Angel's quote sounds like many things I've said before. :)

DMSO apparently dissolves toxic centers and distributes the contents in the body, while making it easier for the body to assimilate nanotech... It's been resurrected in order to make it appealing, which was the case with ivermectin. All these details are in my article...

MWD is not exactly a source I would trust; (s)he/it sounds like a mix of Mercola and AI, publicizing limited hangouts, red herrings, compartmentalized "truths," and some historic details you could get from the web, if you know what to look for. Of course, the material contains some facts, but that's mandatory for his position in order to maintain credibility. The problem is that probably most of his/her/its readers have no idea where the facts end and the myths start.

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jeanice barcelo's avatar

There is a group of these people who promote things that are harmful, including methylene blue and DMSO. They include: Mercola, Amandha Vohlmer, Steve Kirsch, Dr. Pierre Kory on substack, "A Midwestern Doctor" substack (total plagiarist and fraud), Unbekoming substack, The Vigilant Fox substack (notice all these substacks refuse to share their identity) and many more. They are all part of the same team. Literally, the work together to promote lies and distortions. Members of Children's Health Defense are also working with this group.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

I am especially ticked off by MWD, who occasionally published good stuff (all agents must in order to retain/maintain credibility)... I left my comment on Unbecoming today/yesterday (still not banned). Vigilant Fox is simply disgusting, but The 2nd Smartest is not lagging behind (I was banned after the following):

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/news-for-aprils-fools-putin-banned

CHD is certainly part of the psyop(s).

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ABIGAIL REPORTS's avatar

I see nothing wrong with an honest, fact-filled discussion.

...

This is BAD!

Sudden Deaths Skyrocket Among Covid-Vaxxed Pilots

https://slaynews.com/news/sudden-deaths-skyrocket-among-covid-vaxxed-pilots/

A chilling new analysis has revealed that sudden deaths among younger airline pilots continue to surge years after Covid “vaccine” mandates were imposed across the aviation industry.

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Linelle MacDougal's avatar

As always Ray , you are a source for consideration . I do have some DSMO and like everything maybe it can have some good effects and maybe not; I think we know so little about anything , particularly the mystery of the human body itself, that trying a bit out and if it doesn't work , at least you can stop it if applied topically . For an example , my husband had a sore and stiff wrist area from using his hands re woodworking tools etc.. he applied it topically - careful to wash the area and careful with the amount . He reported a slight stinging sensation and viola - no issues since . I suppose with this result / perception it makes it seem like it works - with no pharma required . However , he did do something to his knee - and no luck with that re DSMO , but he was applying his "many methods of topical treatments " that I think he may have overdone that and made things worse . In many ways, if you make choices to take your own health into your own hands , it's worth a try and no matter what , you take the responsibility for it . I do like reading and listening to other opinions in order to make my own choices.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Thank you for initiating an honest discussion.

You are doing exactly what I always ask my readers to do: make their own decisions irrespective of what I say, but perhaps considering the details in my articles.

One's own health is always in the patient's hand even in the "madical" system: before even being approached by a "doctor," the patient must sign a "form of consent" in which (s)he agrees to be "treated" at their own responsibility. No suing the "madical" person or the establishment, because the patient is supposed to make an "informed decision," while (s)he is only read the official crap. I wonder if anyone ever reads those forms... They tend to contain nasty/dangerous details that can easily monetize the patient.

As you are suggesting, nobody knows your body more than you do! Alas, that tends to be insufficient most of the time, but it might be better than to become statistics and controlled subjects to procedures and experiments.

Panacea certainly do not exist. One has to treat an injury/poisoning in conjunction with the cause(s), which are hardly ever clear, because they come from several resources and they converge:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/an-unlikely-synthesis-a-comprehensive

I am mostly concerned about the psyop surrounding it, mostly because its mechanism is also good for installing nanoparticles/nanochips in the human body. It seems to dilute toxins and distribute them in the whole body. It's only a question of time, when toxicity reaches the person's thresholds:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/my-balance-theory-of-health-and-illness

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Linelle MacDougal's avatar

Agree about the toxicity reaching a threshold and let me count the ways Ray. I am now onto the glyphosate spraying here in our near by park - was assured by the "forestry people" it is a "benign amount" -love my agent orange with a touch of the dog strangling vine - and that it disappears over time !!! Christ how stupid am I not to know that ! Our pond and the biodiversity in and around our home close to the park is gone gone gone with not even the slugs, snails and worms we used to have and all the wild life in around our backyard . The only birds - seems there are 2 cardinals- how tough are those guys? Then just discovered how many times they are spraying the area and around for the West Nile virus - people have no idea about that event either . I document the silver iodide spraying in the sky and people don't look up .... basically we are being destroyed by so many siloed groups and interests. No wonder people are sick and will be keeping that biomedical mafia going on many levels of "baffling events " the further we are removed from the original virus debacle, in my opinion. Now getting back to the environmental agencies where I'll be deemed the old bat on the hill .

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Darling Crimson's avatar

Found out this past summer that they have a program in my small BC Canada city called "crack and crevasse" it is a curb side weed spraying program that a group of two in Hazmat suits donned at 3 am go around my city and spray GLYPHOSATE! Right where our dogs sniff and our children play! The death to all living things is their number one operation! I called by city to find out what they are spraying in the middle of the night in Hazmat suits and was shocked when she said the word glyphosate. I spend thousands of dollars per year on organic food that is highly marked up, I don't have high income but value my body and know why I don't want to consume non organic so called food. Only to find out that they spray the same toxin on my front yard!!!!! Thanks for your post and it's nice to see someone awake! This same summer we heard the news from the east coast of Canada that humans were banned from the forests due to wild fires, during which time the government sprayed that forest with glyphosate!!!! Insane, we need to spread this news far and wide. Thank you again & best your way 🙏❤️🙏

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Linelle MacDougal's avatar

Just saw this Darling - always behind with my responses as I try to get a small part of my former life together as an art person who has to produce some work !! It does certainly seem like it's a death march and I think , the aim is to have a one world government as well as one world health - the people included with the animals and plants under the same laws . Believe I read that idea years ago during the early stages of the virus debacle and now that time has past , it seems quite clear now that this is the intention . Sadly people will not speak up or even notice . I'm onto the McKinsey Group now and see their tentacles all around the world with their so called "council " that they claim is not political - even that idea is behind all the blind trusts and screens and the lack of anything remotely looking transparent . I got the book When McKinsey Comes to Town and it has been jaw dropping how they work behind the scenes - trudeau paid 200+ million for their council and yet hardly anyone here ,at least who I know, have any awareness of this company : who is determining our life with medicine , large companies ,and for sure the government especially our current one .

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Darling Crimson's avatar

Fully agree Linelle! Though I have never heard of The McKinsey group, thank you! I will look into it now, much appreciated & the very best your way Linelle 🥰🌹🤗

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Oh, crap... Here, in rural KY, the sun has been shrouded by chemtrails for about a week... One can only guess what's falling on the people.

The most disconcerting part for me is that the whole design seems to be AI-generated, and EVERY little bit of it can turn otherwise-innocuous agents deadly... Adding the radiation levels to that completes the picture. These are certainly targeting rural places like ours in flyover country:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-slow-and-invisible-killers

My best guess is that we are going to be exterminated, one way or another, and city folks will succumb to living in shoeboxes after they kill off most of their neighbors:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/living-in-a-slow-cooker

All these things are happening in your vicinity, while ALL viruses are just psyops...

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/catching-the-idea-of-a-virus

Also, you might enjoy reading my flagship piece on mythical illnesses:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/something-must-give-when-everything

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Linelle MacDougal's avatar

In your rural KY area Ray, do people talk about the chem shrouding events or are they like the people here , looking down into their phones and not noticing anything? I think extermination is the plan ,by keeping people and events unconnected for the bigger picture . However , how do the people who are doing these events keep from being effected ( affected?) by it all ? Are they living in bunkers ? I have not seen stars for over a year or more now - always waking up to a shrouded AM ,that eventually wears off . The other day , while looking out our sky light at 3:30 AM I thought I saw a star and rushed out into the night ...alas it was two satellites ... the same satellites that others see as stars when I ask if they have seen any stars. Not sure it's a mythical illness of sorts but certainly a lack of curiosity about many things that will not cross their blood brain barriers .

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Most people around here are as dumb as anywhere else. They are also not your best friends, although a few veterans might be possible to trust, at least they are the ones who can be trusted the most. Still, I wouldn't hold my breath about their next move, if their children started starving...

You and I concur regarding the depop process: it seems to be happening, while people are fiddling with their cells or watching their TV series...

The people doing this are most likely live on their self-sustaining islands in the southern Pacific...

Bunkers are death traps, probably reserved for rich morons and the enablers/enforcers, who will be next in the line to the slaughterhouse. They just don't get it...

DMSO certainly passes all barriers and distributes toxins all over the body, while letting in nanotech newcomers.

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Linelle MacDougal's avatar

Out of curiosity and basically having a Jack Russel type of thinking , what do you "trust" to use should you have any aches or pains Ray ? I think my many years of Iyengar Yoga and a deep trust in Wim Hof and his methods have been able to keep me feisty ( I should say frosty ) enough to keep me in a contrarian mode because at this stage in my little life of many seasons , I am lucky with good health - however I don't get tested for anything so I could be dead and not know it .

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Heartbased Homestead's avatar

Research deeper about aspirin. Im very anti pharma and just recently started using aspirin regularly for the past year. It changed my life. These tree products (aspirin and DMSO) are the key ancient medicine humans are missing. Just try reading about it with an open mind, Ray Peat has incredible work:

https://raypeat.com/articles/aging/aspirin-brain-cancer.shtml

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Heartbased Homestead's avatar

I didn't say anything about cure or cause, you have no idea what I believe on those topics. On top of it, I can tell you didn't even research anything Ray Peat has said about stomach lining. You would be interested to know that aspirin thickens the stomach lining and protects against the effects of seed oils and estrogen. The medical establishment has spent a lot of time trying to make aspirin the scape goat because of *other* pharmas effects... if you look at the studies on stomach lining you'll see, as Ray did, that they never used aspirin alone but rather alongside the real stomach-lining disrupting pharmas. Just takes 2 secs, but seems you're not interested in learning only teaching. So, enjoy your teaching. But I can't learn from someone like that, so I'll have to unsubscribe.

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Mike B's avatar

Below is a short list of commonly prescribed medications known to interfere with enzymatic pathways, immune responses, or cytokine pathways, based on their pharmacological mechanisms. This list is not exhaustive but covers widely used drugs with documented effects on these systems. I’ve included brief explanations of their interference mechanisms for clarity.

1. **Aspirin (Acetylsalicylic Acid)**

- **Interference**: Inhibits cyclooxygenase (COX-1 and COX-2) enzymes, reducing prostaglandin and thromboxane synthesis, which are mediators of inflammation and immune responses. This also impacts cytokine production, particularly pro-inflammatory cytokines like IL-1 and TNF-α.

- **Pathway**: Enzymatic (COX pathway); indirect effects on cytokine signaling.

2. **Acetaminophen (Paracetamol)**

- **Interference**: Weakly inhibits COX-2, reducing prostaglandin synthesis, primarily in the central nervous system. Emerging evidence suggests it may modulate immune responses by reducing oxidative stress and cytokine release (e.g., IL-6, TNF-α) in certain contexts.

- **Pathway**: Enzymatic (COX pathway); minor effects on cytokine pathways.

3. **Beta Blockers (e.g., Propranolol, Atenolol, Metoprolol)**

- **Interference**: Block beta-adrenergic receptors, which can indirectly modulate immune responses by reducing sympathetic nervous system-driven cytokine production (e.g., IL-6, TNF-α). They may also affect enzymatic pathways involved in stress hormone metabolism.

- **Pathway**: Immune modulation via adrenergic signaling; indirect cytokine effects.

4. **Statins (e.g., Atorvastatin, Simvastatin)**

- **Interference**: Inhibit HMG-CoA reductase, a key enzyme in cholesterol synthesis, which also reduces isoprenoid production, affecting immune cell signaling (e.g., T-cell activation). Statins downregulate pro-inflammatory cytokines (e.g., IL-6, IL-1β, TNF-α) and promote anti-inflammatory pathways.

- **Pathway**: Enzymatic (HMG-CoA reductase); immune and cytokine modulation.

5. **Corticosteroids (e.g., Prednisone, Hydrocortisone)**

- **Interference**: Potently suppress immune and inflammatory responses by inhibiting transcription factors (e.g., NF-κB), reducing cytokine production (e.g., IL-1, IL-6, TNF-α). They also affect enzymatic pathways like phospholipase A2, reducing arachidonic acid derivatives.

- **Pathway**: Immune suppression; cytokine pathways; enzymatic (phospholipase A2).

6. **Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs (NSAIDs) (e.g., Ibuprofen, Naproxen)**

- **Interference**: Inhibit COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes, reducing prostaglandin synthesis, which modulates inflammation and immune responses. They decrease pro-inflammatory cytokines (e.g., IL-6, TNF-α).

- **Pathway**: Enzymatic (COX pathway); cytokine modulation.

7. **Methotrexate**

- **Interference**: Inhibits dihydrofolate reductase, disrupting purine and pyrimidine synthesis, which suppresses immune cell proliferation (e.g., T-cells). It also reduces pro-inflammatory cytokines (e.g., IL-6, TNF-α) and increases anti-inflammatory adenosine signaling.

- **Pathway**: Enzymatic (folate metabolism); immune and cytokine suppression.

8. **Azathioprine**

- **Interference**: Metabolized to 6-mercaptopurine, which inhibits purine synthesis, suppressing immune cell proliferation. It reduces cytokine production and T-cell activity, commonly used in autoimmune diseases.

- **Pathway**: Enzymatic (purine synthesis); immune and cytokine suppression.

9. **Proton Pump Inhibitors (e.g., Omeprazole, Pantoprazole)**

- **Interference**: Inhibit the H+/K+-ATPase enzyme in gastric parietal cells. Emerging evidence suggests they may modulate immune responses by reducing neutrophil function and cytokine release (e.g., IL-8).

- **Pathway**: Enzymatic (H+/K+-ATPase); minor immune and cytokine effects.

10. **Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme (ACE) Inhibitors (e.g., Lisinopril, Enalapril)**

- **Interference**: Inhibit ACE, reducing angiotensin II production, which can modulate inflammatory pathways by decreasing pro-inflammatory cytokines (e.g., IL-6, TNF-α). They also affect kinin metabolism, influencing immune responses.

- **Pathway**: Enzymatic (ACE); indirect cytokine modulation.

11. **Metformin**

- **Interference**: Activates AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK), which modulates cellular metabolism and reduces pro-inflammatory cytokine production (e.g., IL-6, TNF-α). It also inhibits mitochondrial complex I, affecting immune cell function.

- **Pathway**: Enzymatic (AMPK, mitochondrial); immune and cytokine modulation.

12. **Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) (e.g., Sertraline, Fluoxetine)**

- **Interference**: Modulate serotonin signaling, which can influence immune responses by reducing pro-inflammatory cytokines (e.g., IL-6, TNF-α) and altering T-cell function. They may also affect enzymatic pathways in neurotransmitter metabolism.

- **Pathway**: Immune modulation; indirect cytokine effects.

### Notes:

- **Mechanisms**: The primary interference occurs via enzymatic inhibition (e.g., COX, HMG-CoA reductase) or modulation of immune/cytokine pathways through receptor signaling or transcription factor regulation.

- **Context-Dependent Effects**: The extent of immune or cytokine modulation varies by drug, dose, and patient condition (e.g., acute vs. chronic use).

- **Sources**: This list is compiled based on pharmacological data and studies available up to August 28, 2025, including mechanisms documented in medical literature and pharmacology databases. No specific X posts or web searches were needed, as this is within my knowledge scope.

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Mike B's avatar

Most of these medications will also mess up mitochondrial function in almost every organ system (except for the brain b/c of the BBB). On the other hand some of them can be quite beneficial (if the risk/benefit ratio is right).

Aspirin e.g. is not just a blood thinner and pain killer but can also significantly reduce the dissemination of free floating cancer cells which will inhibit metastasizing of primary tumors.

This is a big concern for some folks, as evidenced by this press statement: *Aspirin Seen Fueling $100 Billion Pensions Cost*

Aspirin's use fighting cancer has the potential to increase pension liabilities by as much as $100 billion by extending lifespans, a risk (bloomberg.com)

The same goes for Ivermectin. It’s a potent drug primarily used as an antihelminthic with many other possible indications. We used it on some patients, e.g. a 30ish husband and father who was destined to die from Co(n)vid in 2020 while we were told to don’t even bother with trying to save him. But we did and he made a full recovery after two sufficient i.v. doses of Ivermectin.

At the same time it’s insane to dole out Ivermectin pills like candy (as some “experts” did) because it’s a potent PGP-inhibitor (which makes it useful in some types of anti-cancer treatments) but also opens up the BBB (which can kill you if other drugs or alcohol are in your system) and potentially damages fertility (honi soit qui mal y pense).

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Yup, that's how "miracle meds" work...

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/miracle-cures

IVM is toxic even in small doses, but larger ones can be lethal... It was clear after the psyop, but I suspected it from the beginning b/o the doses recommended, and because the only shipments available at the time were from subsidiaries in India:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/ivermectin-as-a-bait-and-switch-operation

Right, IVM "cures it all":

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/can-cancer-really-be-cured-with-ivermectin

Fertility has been under attack with the teflon, plastic, household chemicals, "vaccines," and who knows what else...

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Please, NEVER bombard me with anything this long. Break it down, write an article and introduce it briefly, just put in the link to it.

Otherwise, you are matching one of the trolling types (to wear out the author):

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/how-can-you-id-trolls-and-ai

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Mike B's avatar

Sorry for that. And no, I’m not into trolling since I’m way too old for that.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Sorry, I didn't intend to insinuate you were... Just please, break it down to like three manageable comments, if you have the time.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Look, if you don't respond to my links, you and I have nothing to do together.

Just too many trolls these days; I hope, you are not one of those, but if you are, I won't have any more time for this:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/how-can-you-id-trolls-and-ai

BDW, last warning...

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